Jackson 2004 Debriefing

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  1. DannyR

    DannyR Moderator Millennium Member

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    Please post your stories here.;)
     
  2. lethal tupperwa

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    The weather was not bad.

    It wasn't too cold and the rain held off we got to see friends.

    If it is as windy there today as it is here in Va,

    people are going to have to hold off the target(windage)to hit it.

    Maybe that would have helped me. lethal
     

  3. bushmaster225

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    Just got back home from Jackson, I missed the rain.

    The Glock people were late, so registation took long.

    Third year going to Jackson, and it gets worst ever year. What a cluster _ _ ck. Luckly, Judy (It think is her name) got out there and got things a little more organized and running.

    The computer scoring is nice, RO's just have to get falimiar with the equipment.

    Hoping Waldorf is better.

    I think one of the problems is people get to be good friend with others who go to these matches. Then when someone like myself show up, instead of going down the list, they try to get there friends in first.
     
  4. Don At PC

    Don At PC Senior Member Millennium Member

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    Maybe the time change to "Daylight Savings Time" caught up with them. They are normally there early and have the ball rolling.
     
  5. on target

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    Strange day, cold and Glock M took 1 1/2 hours to shoot, the new scoring equipment kept causing problems and there was a general lack of organization on the plates. but 5 to Glock took just minutes.

    Strange day in that I shoot my worst and Russ had his best showing ever. I feel terrible letting the team down but Russ was working like a Swiss watch.

    Good to see Andy and Joe and Steve and Sniper 7.62 sorry we missed Frank.
     
  6. GlockMom

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    Yes, it definitely was a stange day.^8 On the drive out we had a smorgasboard of weather.;k Rain, fog, sleet, snow and wind. By the time we got there is was just cold. I thought the match went slow, but I did not see any real problems. We signed in at about 10:30 and did not finish up until about 3:30.

    My shooting was bittersweet;Q. I shaved a few tenths off my personal best but it was my competition score (1st gun). My AmCiv was somewhat slower. I did however achieve my goal of a "no miss match".^5 I guess I can't complain, I haven't pick up a gun...except to clean under it...since Lexington last year.

    I was nice to see everybody, especially one person (you know who you are;3).

    And now that the first match jitters are out of the way, I am looking forward to a better next match^c. Thanks for those hand warmers Lethal, I hope we don't need them for Richmond.
     
  7. Sniper 7.62

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    I saw nothing like this ^8 I waited 2 hrs at the 5 to Glock ( and HELPED past and paint!!!) and 1hr at the M (I help past and paint) and walked right up at the plates, BUT what I did see was the ROs that needed to shoot walk right up so that they can make your day go faster.

    We had a good trip as far as the shooting goes and I shot a PB ~2 and I'm not telling yet :)
    I would like to thank all the ROs that made are day fun as well It was nice to see everyone again and we will see you at Richmond VA in three weeks
     
  8. Glock Dave

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    Bad day for me. Got a speeding ticket on the way and it went down hill from there. Weather was horrible and the wait at the 5 to Glock was 2 hours. By the time I got to shoot my hands were numb. I did terrible. The new electronic scoring system is cool though. Don't have to write down the scores anymore.
     
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    I shot pretty well, for the first time I broke 100 but only in competition class, my AC time was a little over 100. It was pretty cold in the morning but then warmed up a little around noon; at least the plates weren't underwater this year! Registration didn't open until around 9:30 and a bunch of the RO's were having trouble with the electronic scoring system so the match went slowly; however, Dave and the rest of the crew from Glock did their best to keep the match moving. It was good seeing some guys that I haven't seen in a while and hopefully I'll get to shoot with more of you later this year.
     
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    Shooting seemed to be a little slow, but their were a lot of people waiting to shoot. So I went to lunch. When I got back I was at the top of the list. I was done in an hour and half I thought it was a great day out for my son and myself. See you in Fulton.
     
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    driving back and forth from maryland, i saw lots of revenue hunters hiding out on the nj turnpike. i used to think maryland was the worst state for this, but nj appears even worse (at least on the turnpike). luckily i didnt need to meet any of them up close and personal!
     
  12. Joe Mamma

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    During part of Saturday morning, the guy who was running the plate rack stage wouldn't even let people get in line for it or turn in their sheets!?!?

    He told people to just go to the Glock 'M stage or the 5 to Glock stage and come back to the plate stage later.

    Joe Mamma
     
  13. Sniper 7.62

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    That was true, I told him to let us sign up on the sheet but he said come back later :( all in all I did not need to wait when I got to the plates cause everyone was done ;f
     
  14. GJM89

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    Well. I just got up from ROing at Jackson for TWO DAY'S and I see that there are some questions and comments that need answering, If I offend anyone I'm very sorry. First, obviously Bushmaster 225 you have never ROd a match before or you would have not been so harsh in your comments. All ROs are volunters and are repaid for their time with a GSSF Hat and Shirt, maybe a meal and a drawing for a Glock
    Pistol on Sun. evening.You should know that on Sun. we were very short on ROs, almost not enough to run the match,and the ROs you saw had already worked all day Sat.,and had gotten one hour less sleep due to the change in time. I'm sure you noted that the weather deteriorated so badly that by the end of the day we had to add extra tire rims to the targets to keep them standing.You should also know that on both days that the only breaks that the ROs got was to eat a quick lunch at their stage of fire and go to the POTTY,didn't know that did you? Did you also know that many of the ROs showed up at 0730 hrs. on Sun. so that they could shoot at 0800 hrs.,with the sun in their face, so that they didn't hold up anyone during the regular match time??? And the young ladies name is Julie Goloski,and she works for GSSF Div. of Glock, and the young gentleman in the big NJ Soprano Caddy upgrade was Dave Sevigny and the nice lady working in registration was Jackie, and without them there would not have been a match this year.And Mel, if your out there , thanks for keeping the Jackson match going all these years, you'll be missed. As far as being familiar with the NetPad scoring systems, it's the first time most of the ROs have used the system, we'll be better at it next year,give us a chance,better yet, why don't you and On Target contact me next year and come out and help us RO for the two day's and then see how you feel about things. Just so you know, I have been elected to be the Co-chairperson for the next Jackson match and any suggestions you might have I'll be glad to hear,but remember experience is the best teacher. Also, as Sniper stated, the people going to the head of the line were RO's, shooting as fast as possible so that they could get back to their stage of fire and run you through. It should be noted that several RO's never shot all the courses of fire so that the stages could be kept open. On Target, in reference to the Plate Racks, due to no ones fault we broke 10+ plates during the event and we were down to one operating plate rack,this problem will be addressed and will not happen again next year. We also did not have enough RO's to have someone squad the competitor's at the plates on Sun.,this was straightened out by Jackie and the plates ran as smoothly as possible for the rest of the monsoon type weather. You should all know that we had a large number of new shooter's and for Safety reasons we take extra time with new shooters so that they feel comfortable and safe shooting at a sport that we all love. As far as time goes, it was noted to me by Dave that everyone should throughly read a Glock report either before or during their next match. Item 120:20 states among other things, " We suggest that you plan to spend the entire day at the range", this being due to many variables,enough said. Item 120.30 refers to the fact that competitors are welcome and encouraged to help the ROs in the taping of the targets after they are scored. If you don't know how to tape a target just ask one of the RO's, they'll appreciate the help and will be glad to show you how. This also speeds up the match a whole bunch. Also, if you see that a match is short of RO's at the plates, feel free to offer to pull the rope and reset the plates,ever bit helps. A note of intrest, you can shoot the match with 2 magazines, but it really speeds things up if you could show up with at least 4 mags., remember they make wonderful Birthday and Holiday gifts. Gotta go scrape the mud off of my boots,dry out my gear and start getting ready for Richmond. Thanks Sniper and tell GlockMom I'll see her later.:cool: :cool: :cool:
     
  15. Sniper 7.62

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    Hey Glenn I'll help RO if I can stay at your place but GlockMom gets a hotel room ;f ;f It was good seeing the crew, NICE JOB ^c ^c can't wait for Richmond.
     
  16. jfb117

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    I thought the RO's did a great job. They were all friendly and helpful. It seemed to me that a large number of people came at the same time so there were a large number of people waiting. There is nothing you can do but wait. It was nice to meet Jackie and Julie. My son Shawn, who is three, had a wonderful time. He wants to go shooting with Dad again I think he is hooked!!!
     
  17. LoveGlocks

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    The entire match crew was under alot of strain but one would never know it unless you look real close. Jackie was very poised Sunday morning despite the situation and a long day Saturday. Even David and Julie were calm and professional when things were running on the edge by Sunday.

    When BoomerG20 and I left the range, David and Julie were trying to figure out how to coordinate the rest of the match with the crew that was still there.

    No amount of thank you's will make up for what RO's and GSSF Staff put out to make a match happen ESPECIALLY with non-optimal weather conditions. But here's a big THANK YOU to all of them.

    I know what it's like... my friends and I worked the Fulton matches under similar weather conditions the last years. However, this Jackson match had over 300+ entries (from what I heard)... WOW!

    Please help make things better by volunteering to RO if you can.
     
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    JFB, Thsnks for reminding me, your exactly correct, on both day's we had a ton of people show up at the same time and there's no way you can let everyone shot at the same time,no kidding, right. Remember,plan your day around the match,not the match around your day,pretty clever huh? Frank,thank you very much and you are correct, we had an all time high of 300+ match's shot and there would have been more if the weather was not so bad. Sniper, love to have you help next year, but we have to discuss the stay over arrangements.;N ;N ;N We can alway's use the extra help.
     
  19. DaleGribble

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    I don't have a dog in this hunt since I wasn't at that match, but here's my two cents worth anyway.

    Before I begin, I just want to say that I am not flaming anyone, and that my comments are not directed at anybody specifially.

    Some people don't really understand that a GSSF match can be an all day event, and they don't factor that in when they think they need to gripe about wait times and such.

    People need to realize that, stages get backed up, equipment malfunctions, that RO's need breaks just like anyone else and that RO's get to show up at a stage and go to the top of the list so they can shoot and get back to there own stage as quickly as possible. People need to understand the fact that all of those things are part of the sport.

    When shooters understand all that, and learn to accept it as part of shooting a match, they will have a more enjoyable match.

    Another thing that people often don't consider before complaining is the size of a GSSF match. Often times they run 300 plus shooters through on a weekend. That's a lot of people. Break it down by the numbers and you'll see that at a match that draws 300 shooters, there are going to be 3000 individual strings of fire, and that's the minimum number possible. That's a lot of shooting, and coordinating people and equipment to handle all of that is not an easy job!

    In closing, if, as a shooter you have a problem with the way a match is run, go to the match director and and explain what problem you had. If you have an idea about how to solve the problem, offer constructive advice on how that problem might be alleviated at future matches. If you don't take the time to politely let them know about a problem, you can't expect the problem to be solved by griping about it on an internet forum.
     
  20. bushmaster225

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    As Webster define:
    Debriefing
    To question to obtain knowledge or intelligence gathered.

    I didn’t think it was to just give praise to the RO’s. I thought it was to give an accurate account of things that took place.

    The Facts still remain:

    Glock was late

    The RO’s were having problems with the scoring system.

    The Range was ran slow

    The Plates were unorganized.

    Three years ago, Jackson may have been the best ran match I went to.

    To improve it, I would have had the plate sign in sheet back under the cover. You call up the shooter, then the on-deck shooter.

    At 5 to Glock and Glock M, same principal, but you have the shooter, on-deck and then a taper. The taper moves to the on-deck after the shooter shots.

    I did plan for an all day event. I was just trying to give an accurate account of what happen from my prospective. Most of the guys on this board, are sitting back talking and not taping. I on the other hand always try to tape, plus it helps pass the time.