IT/IS professional "Specialties"

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  1. Green_Manelishi

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    I have to laugh when I look at what some IT folks consider their "specialties". Folks, it's not possible to specialize in everything. To use a sports example it'd be like claiming to specialize in passing, receiving, running, tackling, blocking, and coaching.
     
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    Try convincing employers that. Have you seen what they want out of an IT guy these days? I use the example of a doctor that is a general practitioner, and then there are specialists. It seems like employers want a general practitioner who is also a neurologist, ENT, radiologist etc.

    Many of the jobs I see want CCNA, MCSE, PBX, VOIP, SQL, PHP, plus all the general duties of day to day IT and want to pay $45k a year. I guess with the economy the way it is employers are holding all the cards.
     

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    Yeah, and pay them like the janitor. LOL

    I've seen it a lot in the job descriptions. All I think is "if they know all that stuff, they're probably not very good at very many of them." There's just not enough time in the day to be an expert in every area.

    The trick is if you want a job, ignore the requirements, put your resume in anyway. Often the HR department tags on all the keywords they can think of A to Z, even though the person who needs the slot filled just needs a guy who can to X and Y.
     
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    Well after 12 years of Telecommunications experience, its been very aparent to me that Telecom engineers know more than IT guys when it comes to technology.

    IT guys work on mainly PC related hardware/Software, Routers,Hubs issues and enough Telecom experience to be dangerous. Their dealings with Fiber are usually just plugging in a fiber patch cable.

    Seasoned Telecom guys work on PC hardware/Software, Telecom hardware/software, routers, hubs, switches, microwave radios, antenna towers, copper anykind anywhere, fiber anykind anywhere, wireless anykind anywhere.

    When it comes to technology we are the First link in the chain so when any other links fail we need to prove it to the end customer our equipment is working at 100%. To do this you need complete knowledge of how all commonly used devices work together and a fleet of people with the same but having their own specialtys.

    I also install P2P microwave and P2MP WiMax microwave radio systems and troubleshoot them... but its not my specialty... Its the RF guys specialty and without him I wouldnt know how to do it.

    My specialties happen to be Inside/Outside plant install and troubleshooting.

    Alot of IT people just gather all those pieces of paper they paid people to be able to say they can do something... If you have a CCNA and your not a CCNA or even working in a CCNA enviroment your not a CCNA, you just have a piece of paper saying you have been taught this much on this date. No real world experience on what it even means to be Cisco Certified. The best people I know that work on Cisco's have zero formal training they work on them because it was another thing that made them curious.
     
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    You are very right. Job requirements are very often written by people, or even groups of people, who have little or no idea what they are actually asking for. They will typically poll several individuals in the team and ask "what does this position need", with each one adding 1 or 2 requirements. By the time its done the HR or Hiring Manager is writing a list of alphabet soup requirements for an uber-specialist with expert knowledge of everything from routers to SQL to .Net. I had one phone screening with someone during my last job search that flagged me because my resume had Hyper-V on it, but then told me I wasn't qualified because they needed someone with "At least 5 years experience". They were quite confused when I explained they'd be hard pressed finding that since Hyper-V is less than 3 years old.
     
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    I agree with what everyone has said. I have 15 years experience, but never got any certifications. When I moved down from NJ to Texas, the recruiters could not submit my resume, since only 'certified' candidates would be considered.

    So, I studied to pass the CCNA, MCSE, and CompTIA A+. We'll see how it goes. I am getting discouraged, since employers want the moon, and only pay $13/hour!!
     
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    Hmm - that handle looks familiar....

    In smaller orgs - you find allot more jack of all trades...

    In larger orgs - everything tends to be more silo'd and I sometimes have to dumb down conversations quite a bit when explaining an issue crossing teams...
    We tend to have network guys which covers LAN, WAN and Firewall; Desktop; and Servers which is further segmented into Wintel, Unix, Storage, and a subset Backups.

    -Tim
     
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    How many folks are on your IT staff?
     
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    Exactly. There are a lot of job postings that make you think "if I knew all the stuff they wanted me to know, I wouldn't be looking for a job and I sure as heck wouldn't do it for what they want to pay!"
     
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    Personally - no... But Colin gave me one of your buckles at ScubaBoards ITK a few years back...

    Dozens - hell no... agreed, one or two core competencies, then generalists on a few other disciplines...

    I'm in architecture, which generally means 3rd-4th tier support and planning. And on a number of occasions I end up w/ secretaries or rent a tech's in remote areas saying "do you have a camera - take a picture and it'll make everything clearer...."

    Account wide actual techs (we're in infrastructure services): (no mgmt or pm's...)
    Maybe 30+ on service desk\L2 in Montreal.
    Subcontracted dispatch for deskside\break-fix.
    Maybe 25-35 midrange - mostly offshore.
    Maybe 20 LAN\WAN\FW
    + a few DBA's...
     
  11. Green_Manelishi

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    Sometimes a pic is worth more than a thousand poorly chosen words.
     
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    If you want a specialty for the IT world, concentrate on VoIP, Virtualization , Security Analysis or Storage. These are the top areas that are moving forward.

    Anybody can manage a cisco router, switch or windows ,linux or Sun box.
     
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    Not true.
     
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    Cough, cough.....
    Maybe some people think they can manage the above. It's all about uptime and performance. I spend a lot of time working with in-house support. Some know they don't know, and some think they can. And a few really can.

    CCNA, RHCE, SCSA. I have a MCSE too but who cares, doesn't everybody?
     
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    QOS anyone?? :rofl: Good stuff man!
     
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    Try telling this to the snotty brats in most HR departments and "managers" that think they're the end all be all of management... although I see this trend changing to some degree, I've been speaking with 2 companies that KNOW I don't have any certs and are very interested in hiring me specifically because all I have is experience.
     
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    Yeah those are the best companies to work for they usually always send you to get certs right after they see how valued you are...

    The trend is very popular and actually is very old school business mechanics.