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It begins....HR 3999.....total ban on bump fire, aftermarket triggers, etc

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by mrayco, Oct 11, 2017.

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    This must be fake news. I read in anther thread that libs' attentions had turned elsewhere already.
     
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    The sad thing is that this was introduced by a "Republican".
     
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    The link says the text hasn't yet been received for the proposed bill.

    To increase the "rate of fire" from what? As it was originally designed and manufactured when the semi-auto was produced by the maker? Since the firearm would still remain semi-auto, meaning it would only fire once with each activation of the trigger, how is the "rate of fire" going to be measured and quantified?

    This is an example of why it would be much less problematic to look at the "multiburst trigger activators" from another regulatory perspective, as stand alone devices, rather than start crafting hastily worded legislation that may have broad, unintended effects upon the firearms themselves, at some point down the road.
     
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    Broad? Yes. Unintended? I doubt it.
     
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    Before we go into complete panic melt down mode:

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    Text: H.R.3999 — 115th Congress (2017-2018)All Information (Except Text)
    As of 10/11/2017 text has not been received for H.R.3999 - To amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit the manufacture, possession, or transfer of any part or combination of parts that is designed and functions to increase the rate of fire of a semiautomatic rifle but does not convert the semiautomatic rifle into a machinegun, and for other purposes.

    Bills are generally sent to the Library of Congress from GPO, the Government Publishing Office, a day or two after they are introduced on the floor of the House or Senate. Delays can occur when there are a large number of bills to prepare or when a very large bill has to be printed. "


    Perhaps we could consider reading what the bill actually says and then see how it is amended.
     
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    No more anti-gun laws!

    This will ban aftermarket triggers as well as bump stocks.
     
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    yup, they know exactly what they are doing
     
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    that will not be how it is worded when it hits the fan. they will add all kinds of **** to it. and right after that rate of fire will be the new buzzword
     
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    I get your meaning, and it occurred to me.

    However, considering the apparent frequent unfamiliarity and lack of knowledge about firearms demonstrated by many lawmakers (the 'shoulder thing that goes up' is a classic), I'd not bet against any future unintended effects on firearms being just that ... unintended or unplanned at the present ... but perhaps cheerfully embraced when it later turns out the vagueness of the initial language can be re-interpreted to have broader meaning on firearms somewhere down the road.

    Depends how someone decides to later interpret the word "is" .... or where the comma is placed.
     
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    Pretty sure the people interpreting the law will be the ATF which, as we know, has a sterling reputation among gun owners.
     
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    They're just one of many fed/gov agencies who could enforce a new law.

    Now, if it were a regulatory matter involving firearms, then BATFE would most likely be a primary agency involved.
     
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    But who would interpret what falls under the law? Sure, lots of agencies can enforce, say, the NFA, but which agency decides what falls under the NFA? Only the ATF. I'm sure they would also be deciding which devices were banned by this new proposed law. If not them, who?
     
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    As I'm typing this, looks like there is already a run going on with binary/echo triggers. Lead times are opening up for both companies (8+ weeks for Franklin). Haven't checked Geissele yet.

    Bill as written bans possession. Hope we don't lose this one or there will be a bunch of new "felons" created from otherwise law-abiding gun guys and gals. Thanks NRA. Your spineless attempt to save HPA and reciprocity left everyone else hip deep in kimchi and completely scuttled any chance of ever passing your bills.

    Grumpy