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Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by bear_1, Mar 4, 2010.
good morning was checking out threads and came across this what is it?
Unchambered. When there is a threat, in a fluid motion you draw, rack, point, fire.
ETA: Forgot the "rack".
This method, like fobus holsters, is a sub par method that is romanticized quite a bit. It's not a bad idea to practice this, but I wouldn't recommend it for regular use. If you had 90% of the population carrying with little or no training, chamber empty carrying would look pretty good to you too.
YES! I LOVE it when this topic comes up! Let met get comfortable.....
Good style if you are sneaking up on people with forged passports and assasinating them.
Not such a good style if you are responding to an attack by another person.
Glossary - Israeli Style Carry -- The preferred method for carrying a Glock pistol, because everyone knows that these pistols do not have safety's, and randomly go off when carried in holsters with a round in the chamber. Wikipedia is officially considering renaming this to Glock Style Carry so to be less descriminatory to other firearms manufacturers. The Term Glock Safe Action System relies heavily on the practitioner utilizing the Israeli Style Carry in order to be successful.
NOTE: NOT to be confused with Mexican Carry, a condition in which you must conversly carry the weapon with a round chambered, and tucked in your sweat pants with the intent to stick your finger in the trigger and shoot your Buttocks off when you need the weapon.
Wow.... +1 Bill and sean.
Thank you so very much for your replies "Da Bear"
The Israeli carry all weapon are carried on an empty chamber. AD's or ND's are very serious offenses in Israel.
The practice of carrying on a empty chamber may have come from the early days in lsrael. As a young nation Israel had no standardize military or police sidearm. Troops and police had to do with whatever they had.The Israeli mindset is; It's was easier to carry on an empty chamber and rack the side than work the safety or safeties. It's also safer.
These guys are in Costa Rica and very hardcore
It is a well-tested and well proven effective method of using a firearm, a method that has been used effectively for decades by LE, military, and civilians around the world in a variety of situations, and is still used by many folks in many places without any problems. Many disparage it without really having much understanding of it.
Although it has become associated with the Israelis, the practice of carrying chamber empty was the norm for almost everybody long before Israel became a nation. Carrying an autoloader chambered didn't start becoming common until the 1970's.
While many who disparage it have a complete understanding of it and because of that comprehension vehemently disagree with it as a viable option.
In truth, there is no such thing as "Israeli Carry" (it refers to the Israeli Draw, a fluid technique of drawing the pistol and racking the slide). It is, however, the most common phrase used to describe the practice of carrying without a round in the chamber (also referred to as Condition 3, or C3). The practice is not unique to Israel, in fact it is the standard style of carrying a semi-auto handgun by the majority of the military and police in the world today. This is why it is quite common to find thumb-break holsters from places like Galco & Bianchi that are designed for C3 carry of 1911's (chamber empty, hammer down, safety off).
Hard to understand that, IMO. If one has a good understanding of it then one should be aware of the long history of successful and effective use, which literally by definition indicates it is a viable option.
Mostly in the U.S. It took about a decade longer for it to become commonplace outside of the U.S., and is still frowned on lots of places.
I can see it may take a long, painful time to restate what could have been easily investigated by using the SEARCH function.
For those members who feel it necessary to continually vent about the Israeli Draw, Kel-Tec pistols and Fobus holsters - Why not ask the mods to just establish your own forum so you can contain your limited knowledge in one area?
Doesn't this description exactly fit the US?
Erm... not here in Florida. 2.9 permits per 100 people, so less than 3%. (assuming everyone that carries has a permit )
Depends if you mean "90% of everyone is carrying" or "90% of the people who ARE carrying are untrained."
It kind of doesn't matter what percentage of the total population carries -- what matters here is what percentage of the people who DO carry have little or no training. Here in the US -- and probably everywhere else -- I feel comfortable pegging that figure as 90%.
Since at least 90% of the people who CCW are completely not HSLD, doesn't that mean that US is much Israel in that regard?