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Israel and Palestinian militants

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by inthefrey, Nov 15, 2012.

  1. RicoGordo

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    The people who the Israelis kicked out in 1948-49 had been there for generations. I'd say the statute of limitations had already run on that claim.
     
  2. RicoGordo

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    When is the last time Israel did anything about oppression and persecution of minority groups in other countries?
     

  3. Lior

    Lior GUNS=FREEDOM

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    Import of oppressed Jews from Arab countries in the 1950s and 1960s, import of oppressed Jews from Ethiopia in the 1980s and the 1990s, disaster relief operations in Haiti, Philippines, Congo, Burma, Sri Lanka, Indonesia, El Salvador, Turkey, Rwanda and many more.

    That said our army is a defensive army and it is not our job to police the world.
     
  4. arizona_andy

    arizona_andy Caliber Realist

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    What on Earth does this have to do with the situation in Israel? I assume it's some attempt at an analogy, but it doesn't fly. At all.

    Israel "kicked out" the Palestinians out in 1948-49? Let's back up a bit..

    The Ottoman Empire was defeated in WWI, and Great Britain gained control of the region we know today as Israel.

    In 1948, the UN agreed to the formation of the independent State of Israel, as well as an Arab State of Palestine, which comprised about half of what we know as Israel today.

    On May 14th 1948, David Ben-Gurion declared the establishment of the Jewish state. The next day much of the Arab world declared war on Israel, rejecting a plan which would have given them an independent Palestine.

    The Arabs were defeated, and their chance at controlling Palestine vanished. How anyone can say that Israel is not a legitimate state and just "kicked out" these people simply doesn't understand the events that have occurred leading up to its formation.

    Israel should of course take all measures necessary to ensure its survival. I can guarantee you they will never forget the despicable sneak attack launched on them by the Arab world on their most holy day in 1973 -- what we know today as the Yom Kippur war. If they ever let their guard down they will be wiped out, and they know it.

    For the record, I am not Jewish -- I just happen to like facts.
     
  5. Blast

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    Modern day American legal statutes don't work that way.:whistling:
     
  6. Shagrat

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    You are quite correct. It was the Balfour Declaration that started the ball rolling in 1917. However, facts don't well with the Israel haters either on Glock Talk or in the Muslim world.
     
  7. DanaT

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    What does a 4000 year old property deed from god look like? What does a 1400 year old poperty deed from Allah look like? When there are two competing deeds, how do you sort it out since neither side recognizes the others court/judge?
     
  8. DanaT

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    Some of us sleep at night.
     
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  9. frank4570

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  10. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

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    Well, here you go.

    If the original inhabitants of a land are the proper owners, then how many of you GTers supporting this are going to go give your property back to the native Americans? It is VERY clear that they were the ones who "owned" the USA before the Europeans came.

    Moving on with history, there have been many groups that have laid cliams to lands and "visitors" come in and take it over.

    Do you realize how much the fall of communism affected land ownership? Many people who left the communist block right after WW2 came back with property deeds from before WW2 and wanted the current "owners" (occupiers they claimed) evicted and they wanted their land back. Something had to be done. Basically, the European courts had to make decisions. The decision was they the were forced to abandon land and they gave it it. They were not going to cause another war. They said the war sucked. You lost the land when you left.

    No matter what someone was going to lose. There are times when one knows that any outcome will result in a loss, the least damaging is often taken.

    The Palestinian problem will not go away until the people live in better conditions. Desperate people turn to radicalism. This has been shown many time in history. The Palestinians are nothing but pawns of the more powerful Arab countries. The more powerful countries need the Palestinians to be living like they.

    If the Palestinians were smart, their best solution would be to stop their crap, become peaceful and ask to be part of Israel. If they became Israeli citizens and acted as such, they would go from living in a third world craphole to living in a 1st world country.
     
  11. Big Bird

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    It looks like the Torah. It looks like the Wailing Wall. It looks like the hill at Masada. Its referenced in 4,000 years of Jewish and Christian heritage.

    Allah never gave that land to the Arabs. The Koran doesn't reference it except to acknowledge that fact that God gave the land to Abraham. Of course Allah also commands his followers to kill all non-believers so maybe the Palestinians just want to fufill their deal as well. Ultimately I don't think the Arabs want to settle a land dispute here. They just want to kill the Jews.


    If anyone has a right to that land its the Jews. Fact is the Jews allow Arabs to live inside Israel, own land, build business, and participate in their political process.
     
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  12. GAFinch

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    Yep, Palestinians now make up 70% of the population of Jordan but are discriminated against and have very little representation in the government.
     
  13. JFrame

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    For all the weeping and wailing about the plight of the "Palestinians," the rest of the Arab world doesn't seem to have done a whole lot for them other than to explicitly and implicity endorse the killing of Jews.


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  14. JMS

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    If we're going back 60 years, let's go back even further. The 3rd holiest site in Islam is the dome of the rock, which was built in the year 691. The site it sits on is the Second Temple Mount that was built in 350 BC which sits on the site of the First Temple, this isn't proven in books or lore, you can see it for yourself. http://www.simpletoremember.com/jewish/blog/jerusalem/

    Israel kills a terrorist and the world cries, Syria kills 10,000 women and children and the world is silent. Nothing more irritating than Jews defending themselves and not laying down for the slaughter like they should right?
     
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  15. DanaT

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    The rest of the Arab world needs them exactly like they are. Many of the countries need external distractions to keep their people from focusing on internal problems.
     
  16. JFrame

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    Yup!


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  17. JMS

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    You mean the dozen times I climbed Masada or went to the Western Wall or the Church of the Holy Sepluchre wasn't just an illusion, it's actual history? Don't lose any sleep over Israel, they will do what they need to do to defend themselves and continue to be. The defensive wall that they built will help mitigate the number of terrorists that are able to come over from the territories, the wall that the enemies of Israel decry. The same wall we should be building at our Southern border.
     
  18. G17Jake

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  19. DanaT

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    Laws must be recognized before they are truly laws. Jeff Warrens and his branch have their own set of "laws" yet, they are not recognized by the USA govt. The reason why land ownership is as it is in the USA is that the court and law system is "agreed" to by it citizens. Imagine if a Mexican (or Canadian) court determined it had the authority to make rulings on USA property deed disputes.

    The Torah is a not a universally recognized set of laws, in fact, I dont think any country in the world (except for maybe Israel..they might not even) officially recognize it as law.

    Those are physical places. You can go to Colmar France and see a German city but it is now in France. Many Prussian are in Poland but they look German. Italy claims part of Sued-Tirol and is the recognized government. Anasazi Indians had dwellings in the southwest USA showing they were there first.



    If it is the absolute truth, why is it not mentioned in 4000 years of Chinese heritage? Why should the Chinese recognize it? Absolute is absolute.




    Why not the Babylonian ancestors? They built civilizations in the mid-east before anyone. Is this a first there type thing or what give someone more "right" than someone else? Why would a native american not have more right to your property than you do if this is how who has a "right" is deteremined.


    Hence why I said if the Palestinians were smart they would want to be Israeli citizens. Their quality of life would improve immensely. But, as I said in other posts, the other Arabs have a stake in making sure that doesnt happen.
     
  20. mgs

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    Roll the tanks and level the place and get it over with. Don't mess with the IDF because they value life.
     
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