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Is This a Pro-Life Statement?

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Trew2Life, Oct 13, 2012.

  1. Trew2Life

    Trew2Life #intheflesh

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    "In the event the child is determined to be physiologically, genetically or chromosomally abnormal, the decision to abort or not to abort is to be made by the intended parents. In such a case the surrogate agrees to abort, or not to abort, in accordance with the intended parents' decision."

    I thought the Romney's were supposed to be pro-life? The language used in this 'Gestational Carrier Agreement' between Tagg Romney and the surrogate mother isn't 'pro-life' language.

    This is the last thing the GOP nominee needs with less than a month to the election.
     
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    What office is Tagg running for?
     

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    Yes, that's a pro-life statement. Most people who identify themselves as 'pro-life' DO, in fact, support abortions in limited circumstances, such as immediate risk to the mother's health, serious genetic defect, rape or incest, etc.

    Only the absolutists at the radical fringes of the argument believe in either "no abortions-PERIOD", or "unlimited abortion on demand, even partial birth abortions during the eighth month".

    Like it or not, most of America, to include most Republicans AND Democrats, are more moderate than those at the ragged fringes.
     
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  4. Jonesee

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    Please read the article. Mitt paid for the surrogate contract.

    And the language is not pro-life language.

    I've said it before. Mitt is not a man of strong guiding principles.
     
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    That's your private opinion, but it isn't shared by the majority of those who identify themselves as 'pro-life'.
     
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    Who signed the contract?
     
  7. RustyL

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    O can't use this against him if that is what you are worried about. O is good with killing a viable livable child through a botched abortion.




     
  8. Jonesee

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    The language is not pro-life. The centrists may accept it but no one that is part of the pro-life movement will accept. Nor would the Catholic Church.

    Spin it as you wish. But the language is not pro-life.

    The language specifically allows abortions.
     
  9. Jonesee

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    Mitts campaign staff did not deny it. Their stance is it was an oversight.
     
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    Wrong again. 51% of all Americans identify themselves as "pro-life" (Gallup). That does not mean that 51% of all Americans agree that abortions should NEVER be acceptible, even in cases of rape, incest, serious genetic defect or immediate risk to the mother's life.

    You are taking the viewpoint of pro-life ACTIVISTS and trying to extrapolate that to everyone else who opposes 'abortion on demand'. That's like taking PETA's viewpoint on animals and trying to apply it to everyone who identifies themselves as being an animal lover.
     
  11. Jonesee

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    You are so wrong about me.
    I am firmly pro-choice. But I work with contracts very day. The contract overrides all else and all other intentions of the parties.

    The contract specifically allows abortions. That won't square with the right to lifers and the Catholics and evangelical supporters within the party.


    My point is Romney does not have strong unwavering principles on key issues.
     
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  12. Flying-Dutchman

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    Thank you for your concern about Romney’s campaign but Obama is an extreme pro-abortion politician.

    Mitt Romney is so squeaky clean they have to really dig to find something.

    We would be in much better shape if they placed that kind of effort into Obama’s past. We cannot even get someone to leak his Columbia transcripts like Bush’s grades were leaked.

    As for Abortion; 55,000,000 abortions since Roe V Wade is a disgrace but it is not a Federal issue and therefore not an issue Romney needs to address. The States should handle health and welfare.

    January 1st 2013 is the fiscal cliff. We have big worries especially with do-nothing Obama.
     
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    And the contract says the family has the right to make the choice. Nothing there says they have to abort.
     
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    Patently false.
     
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    The contract allows abortion in the case of serious genetic defect or abnormality.

    Most "pro-life" people would agree with that stance, just as most would agree with abortion in the event of a risk to the mother's life, or in cases of rape, etc.

    Being 'pro-life' doesn't mean no abortions EVER...unless you're an activist at the radical fringes of the argument. The 51% of Americans who identify as "pro-life" aren't on those radical fringes, just as the vast majority of "pro-choice" Americans do, in fact, oppose many forms of abortion, such as late-term, partial-birth abortions, etc.
     
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    So you are saying that 51% of all Americans oppose abortion in ALL cases, with ZERO exceptions?

    That's Malarkey (to use Joe Biden's term).
     
  17. Jonesee

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    Correct. Abortion is contractually allowed. See we agree.


    So an anti abortion presidential candidate paid to contract for "services" that allowed an abortion.
    (as an "oversight")

    And he also banned assault weapons in Mass. But really is a 2nd amendment supporter... (I know, another oversight)

    And he also created the healthcare plan that Obama used as a pattern for Obamacare. (He didn't mean that either, another oversight)

    He may be better than O, but..
    He isn't a principled man.
     
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    This whole thing is asinine. Mitt didn't sign the contract, and the contract merely states a right if certain conditions are present.

    Nobody but a loon would try to attach any significance to it or try to tie Mitt to it.
     
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    So you agree it is meaningless and not tied to Mitt?
     
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    This whole smear attack is like trying to claim that someone isn't a Christian if they believe that killing is acceptible in cases of self-defense because the Ten Commandments say "Thou Shalt Not Kill"

    This contract allows for abortion only under very specific circumstances - circumstances that even most people who identify themselves as 'pro-life' would agree with.

    Lots of desperation and fear in this attack...but no substance.