close

Privacy guaranteed - Your email is not shared with anyone.

Is there such a thing as hell?

Discussion in 'Religious Issues' started by frank4570, Jul 28, 2011.

  1. frank4570

    frank4570

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2004
    Messages:
    15,508
    Likes Received:
    8
    This was an idea discussed in another thread, so I gave it it's own thread.

    It looks to me like hell was a non-jewish idea that fledgling Christians took from other religions in the very early days of Christianity.
     
  2. Vic Hays

    Vic Hays

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2002
    Messages:
    10,734
    Likes Received:
    323
    Location:
    My home is in heaven
    There is Hell in the sense of the grave and the fires that destroy everything at the end of the world.

    There is not now a fire burning that tortures people. The fire that burns them will be much hotter and completely destroy them according to the Bible.
    Some Christians believe otherwise from some misunderstood Bible texts, but God is fair and just. He is not a monster who enjoys suffering.

    Some people do not want to believe the plain texts of the Bible. They must have some agenda or bent to want to believe in a smoldering torture.

    Malachi 4: 3 You shall trample the wicked, For they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet On the day that I do this" Says the Lord of hosts.
     

  3. wrenrj1

    wrenrj1

    Joined:
    May 22, 2002
    Messages:
    7,129
    Likes Received:
    340
    Location:
    Huskerville
    According to Southpark there is...
     
  4. NMG26

    NMG26

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2010
    Messages:
    7,776
    Likes Received:
    386
    Location:
    Colorado

    My opinion?

    Life in the present is what we are to live for. Not a future heaven or hell.

    No one knows if there is anything after this life or not.

    If there is something after this life, hell is not probable in any sense of the modern use of it. :fred:
     
  5. kjm1016

    kjm1016

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2005
    Messages:
    229
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Deep in the heart of Texas
    I recall an expression I heard during the first Gulf War referring to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, etc., "This isn't hell.(But you can see it from here!)"
     
  6. CitizenOfDreams

    CitizenOfDreams

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2009
    Messages:
    8,111
    Likes Received:
    5
    Location:
    Orlando, FL
  7. RON in PA

    RON in PA

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2000
    Messages:
    231
    Likes Received:
    72
    Location:
    Plymouth Meeting, PA
    Isn't that New Jersey?
     
  8. MadMonkey

    MadMonkey Spershul Furces

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2010
    Messages:
    2,750
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    TX
    Yes, it exists. I was there yesterday. I also saw the Washington Monument while I was driving through.
     
  9. Eric SF

    Eric SF

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2010
    Messages:
    166
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    People's Republic of Kalifornia
    Hell is life in the U.S. under the Obama regime
     
  10. GreenDrake

    GreenDrake Rip Lips

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2007
    Messages:
    7,029
    Likes Received:
    488
    Location:
    North Idaho
    Hell is a bad reaction to dinner and no tp in a public restroom.
     
  11. Mr Jingles

    Mr Jingles

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2007
    Messages:
    1,028
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    The Green Mile
    According to the Bible there is an eternal Hell. This has been discussed in the past and usually those using a scripture revert to an obscure old testament verse and try and therefore try to interpret Jesus remarks, and the Apostles to their own obscure understanding. There is eternity in Heaven and eternity in Hell. Actually, a well discussed topic in the New Testament. People are willing to disregard Jesus comments; or those of the Apostles and favor their own rationalizations (or teachings.)
     
  12. Vic777

    Vic777

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2006
    Messages:
    3,909
    Likes Received:
    1,057
    I know, there is nothing, now you know.
     
    Last edited: Jul 29, 2011
  13. achysklic

    achysklic

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2009
    Messages:
    1,228
    Likes Received:
    0
    Well there are 3 different words for "Hell" in the Bible with different meanings. Most protestants only think of hell as a place of torment. This is not the case.

    I actually think protestants should be more concerned with heaven,however they are abit confused on this as well since the Bible speaks of atleast 3 heavens.
     
  14. FifthFreedom

    FifthFreedom

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2005
    Messages:
    1,854
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Pa

    I think it's in Baltimore. If that isn't Hell, what is?
     
  15. NMG26

    NMG26

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2010
    Messages:
    7,776
    Likes Received:
    386
    Location:
    Colorado
    You sound just like a Christian.

    They "know" there is eternal life either in hell or heaven after you die.

    I'm for the eternal in the now. That I can know.
     
  16. Brasso

    Brasso Millennium Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 1998
    Messages:
    5,970
    Likes Received:
    1,256
    Location:
    I'm not Jewish. I'm Messianic.
    Just as the Bible does not say we will spend eternity in heaven, neither does it we'll be tormented for eternity in hell.

    Just look at all the false imagery we are fed. We see dead people floating in the clouds like angels, playing harps with halo's.

    The Bible is clear that we don't become angels. We don't go anywhere. And we sure as heck don't have Mithra sun disks floating over our heads.

    And this is just some of the false ideas we have been giving that aren't taught anywhere in the Bible.

    How many paintings of saints does the Catholic Church have of Mary or others with golden orbs around their heads? Pure Mithras crap.

    Oh no, there's no paganism in the Church. wink, wink.
     
    Last edited: Jul 29, 2011
  17. eracer

    eracer Where's my EBT?

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2011
    Messages:
    6,711
    Likes Received:
    6
    Location:
    Tampa, FL
    How can anyone know?

    The Bible is a mythological text altered over the years by revisionist doctrine.

    No has ever come back from Hell to describe it.
     
  18. frank4570

    frank4570

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2004
    Messages:
    15,508
    Likes Received:
    8
    No argument. None.
     
  19. Vic Hays

    Vic Hays

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2002
    Messages:
    10,734
    Likes Received:
    323
    Location:
    My home is in heaven
    The Old and New Testament agree on Hell. There have been and continue to be these interpretations that make Hell a place where people will be tortured unendingly if they don't toe the line. God is not like that. God is fair and just. God is loving and kind. God is willing to forgive. These things do not square with eternal torture.

    There are plenty of texts in the New Testament in Jesus words to support my understanding.

    Luke 12:47-48 And that servant who knew his master's will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will shall be beaten with many stripes. But he who did not know, yet commited things deserving of strip[es, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they ill ask the more.

    Matthew 10:28 "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

    John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

    Revelation 20:9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.

    There is a lot made of the words forever and eternal as far as Hell goes. These words were translated from the original that did not necessarily mean unending amounts of time. A match burns until it burns out. This can be the meaning of forever in the original languages. An example might be Sodom and Gomorrah. They burned and the fire is now out. The Bible sts them forth as the example of vengeance from eternal fire.

    Jude verse 7 As Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
     
  20. FifthFreedom

    FifthFreedom

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2005
    Messages:
    1,854
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Pa


    The Eternal is that It came from G-d.
    There is no "Hell" in the Tanach. Another example of xtians not knowing what they are reading