Is the "Defund Police" really just a way to eliminate State & Local LE?

Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by Ranger357, Sep 20, 2020.

  1. Ranger357

    Ranger357 Just pixels

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    (and yeah i thought about putting this in political but would like more response from State, City, County LE)

    I think deep down everyone with at least 1/3 of a brain knows we need Police of some type. I'm wondering if more the long goal is to eliminate local control of Law Enforcement, turning them into unarmed social workers while a new Federal police would do the real work. Nobody seems to be talking about defunding the FBI, BATFE, DEA, SS, etc..

    I know in my state the local bad guys already could give two craps about racking up state felony charges as they know they will be out in 45 days or so per year sentenced, or more likely just collect new terms of Probation while already on Probation or Parole. They DO however fear Federal Charges where they serve 85%.

    Just curious peoples thoughts on if this might be a thing?
     
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  2. PSUEng

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    I've thought about this as well. Especially if state police are already being deputized as federal police (not sure on that process, however) in Oregon.

    My hypothesize is this:

    Troops coming back from Iraq are prime candidates for jobs at DHS, which, I believe, will be the skull crackers on all this once 1) Trump gets re-elected and the gloves come of or 2) he loses and the gloves come off.

    So, combine that DHS candidate pool with an existing police force sick of being treated like **** by these thug BLM and Antifa types, as well as being turned on by the Mayors, Governors, etc...and there could easily be a Federal police force of significant size.

    And what would be done with such police force? I think we could see martial law as these seditionists are rounded up and "taken away". All the while, under state of emergency at the fed level and state level. Which will really make the position of Sheriff quite interesting--does he/she still hold ultimate law enforcement power?

    I'd like to know why we aren't hearing of widespread deputization of certain qualified civilians to quell these unrests? My opinion: the Sheriffs, the Mayors, Governors, AGs, are all on the take. And anything other than intentionally allowing this unrest is just screenplay--just a show.
     

  3. SAR

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    Most of your crimes such as aggravated assault, robbery, theft, burglary, etc are State crimes. The Feds won't enforce those. If they defund the police at the local level, the Feds aren't going to become an enforcement arm for local government. Doesn't work that way.
     
  4. G19Cfan

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    Try as they might, the Democrats continue to fail at taking over the Police unions. So now they plan to replace them with automated drones and robots. Think Robocop...
     
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    DaleGribble Liberals 'R Bad!!!!

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    No, it's nothing more than a feel-good chant for leftists with white guilt and fringe politicians that want to appeal to a radical segment of their base.

    If they defund the police they know that a lot, and by a lot I mean a few million normal Americans, would literally start killing a bunch of bad people pretty quick. We're talking Mogadishu levels of violence, all across America.

    Besides that, the vast majority of normal Americans don't want the police defunded and people in high crime areas actually want more police. I know that seems counter-intuitive, but it's true. If the defund movement ever really grew legs with Democrats, you'd witness a political power shift the likes of which has never been seen, and the next Republican president to follow such a move would probably make Trump look tame and sedate.
     
  6. cherokeewarrior

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    Maybe it doesn't work that way right now, but I believe that Ranger 357 is correct about the feds ultimately replacing local agencies, under a socialist system, which the libs very much want.
     
  7. blueiron

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    Nope. They simply need and demand control over what the police do. An objective press, an objective police, etc. are dangers to authoritarianism.
     
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    The left wants full control of a social justice police force, otherwise, police forces are their scapegoats for all that is evil.
     
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    The criminals are laughing their collective arses off that cities are falling for this under the guise of helping minorities.
    It's great for them, bad for the good people. No one should want more federal LE than local. Local govts should be screaming to keep control of their LE local.
     
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  11. walkinguf61

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    The reason local and state police officers are normally deputized is to participate in joint task forces where they enforce federal law or work across state lines.
    Initially the state police and possibly some local cops were deputized was so they could enter the federal court houses and to defend them . Then they got the idea to use that to make an assault on those police officers a federal crime to get around the local prosecutor who was dropping all the charges against the rioters.
    Now that they are deputized, if they use their riot tactics against the cops they are facing federal time. That’s why they calmed down. They are facing serious time as opposed to what would happen in the local court system .

    Those cops who are deputized, still primarily enforce local/state law unless it’s a federal property.

    As far as hiring veterans, I haven’t heard of mass hiring by the Feds for LE jobs more than before. Veterans to get preference but I haven’t heard of a mass hiring. They will re-task other federal LE from other parts of the country before just hiring for Antifa.
     
  12. as400guy1

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    The left IS trying to get rid of local LEO to be replaced by a federal force. They won't recruit veteran as they've been triwn under the bus by the dems allong with LEO's.
    They want people loyal to their regime.
    Look at Germany in the 30's.
     
  13. Pluto57

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    I can't predict what will happen, but federal law enforcement doesn't enforce state law unless authorized by the state to do so. Even then, anyone arrested by the feds for violation of a state law is subject to state prosecution, not federal. Changing all this would be a massive undertaking and would require state cooperation.
     
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    My guess the end game is to install Blue helmets so they can ask for help from their god, the UN
     
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    When have they caredabout laws or the constitution?
     
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    I always found it interesting how foreigners I have served with had no comprehension of either our military structure or our police structure. They understand reservists in our military, but not National Guard..of all the foreigners I talked with the Germans seemed to have a better understanding of National Guard vs. Reservists. As best as I can understand the UK they have what amounts to a national police force and they do not have units that are really just from one area. Try explaining why we elect sheriffs in our country, they do not understand it.

    So, back to the point made. The Leftist's in this country are highly influenced by foreigners and would love to see the destruction of our local LEOs and National Guard...they want to see an end to State's Rights.

    Our country is a "bottom-up" hierarchy, that runs Leftists crazy, they are all about a strong central government.
     
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    In CA all Police Unions endorse Democrats. How else do you get 90% after 30 years of service? :cop:
     
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    The UK does not have a national police force. The have territorial police, as well as specialized police such as the Transport Police or the Civil Nuclear Constabulary.
     
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    Currently LAPD has 10,000 officers. I could see them cut back to 2,500. Now I have no ideal what they will do with 26 helicopters or 3 planes? :cop:
     
  20. walkinguf61

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    England does have police that reports to one area like the metropolitan London police is one area. Another city has a different police force. You have to think of England like one State in the United States. There are local departments. They all have to meet the state requirements but not all work for the state government but rather a lot of them work for local governments.