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Discussion in 'General Glocking' started by ace4059, Oct 20, 2010.
I tell people if you want a 9mm Glock, buy a 3rd gen. If you want a 40, but a gen 4.
Why do they need an upgrade?
I thought you guys said the GEN4 are 100%
Nothing mechanical is perfect. That includes previous generations. I don't know why guys are pissing in this thread.
That's what has been cracking me up. How soon we forget that Glocks have always had issues. On the whole they're excellent guns. But as you said, nothing is perfect. Some of us just choose to acknowledge that and go on with our lives, others feel they have to proclaim the end is near. We need to start a special board for the "Global Warming/Gen 4 is the End of Glock" crowd.
Please post pictures of your targets... curious to see how "it" shoots.
Maybe limp wristing?
yeah I agree with this. This is often the reason why a pistol will be returned by any company with a "we could not reproduce the problem". Here's the thing, most will insist it is the gun and not them. They go on and on about how they shoot x gun just fine...well some pistols are more sensitive than others. Sure you shoot x pistol fine, that does not mean you can shoot y without problems. My guess is the new spring is more for the folks that can not shoot the firmer spring the way the testers can. I doubt that Glock released the gun with a known problem to them. A round ejecting back at the face or stovepipes indicate the pistol is flipping too much.... the solution... Lock the wrists more. If you can't lock your wrists more, then get stronger or buy a pistol that is easier to shoot. Or in the case of the gen4, make a softer spring to make it easier to shoot for those that can't control the gun enough to have it cycle flat. The first day I took my wife to the range, she had rounds eject back at her too while testing out a few pistols. I explained how to tense the forearms(lock the wrists) to stop this, sure enough never happened again. 90% user error...10% actually the gun.
Well, if this were SIG, they'd just tell you to expect a few failures here or there.
+1 on that.
What was wrong with Gen 2?
"Yesterday, I contacted Glock and they said they are working on new "weaker" revised recoil spring assembly, but it will not be available until at least Mid to late November."
This obviously indicates Glock KNOWS there is a problem with the spring assembly (just as they knew there was a problem with frame rails on previous models). My question is....if they test new designs thoroughly, why would they put something out that's not reliable?
Anyone who's Gen. 4 Glock works, that's fine, but don't try to blame others' problems on ammo or grip. I have 6 Gen. 3 Glocks with 14,000 rounds through them - all types of ammo including my handloads without a malfunction. That includes handing my Glock to my girlfriend whose hands are so small, they don't fit around the grip & she always fires limp wristed. It's easy to tell because the gun is pointed completely vertical after each shot.
So what about ALL the folks who've had gen 3 issues over the years? This is nothing new folks. It's gonna be a simple spring fix. No biggy. Not the end of the world. This is why we reliability check new guns.
That is a factual statement. I suffered their customer service once.
Believe me, it is not a limp wristing problem. If I can shoot my Keltec P40 then I should be able to shoot any gun. The P40 kicks about as hard as any pistol I have ever shot, including my .357 mag S&W Airlite. Also I have let several other accomplished shooters fire this gen4 g19 including a close friend who served in VietNam and was a cop for several years and recently retired as head of security at a local state prison. He is an expert marksman and owns about 50 glocks and tons of other guns. He reloads, shoots IPSC etc. (you get the idea) After shooting it and experiencing the same malfunctions and erratic ejection problems his exact words were "if this were my gun I would sell the POS"!!! I have tried everything to make this gun work, Glockworx adapter and Tungsten metal guide rod with gen3 springs, an aftermarket ejector, the new revised "04" spring that Glock sent me this last Friday morning. Approx 1300 rds of ammo of every type from Monarch Steel, Blazer Aluminum and brass, WWB, WW NATO, Speer, BlackHills, Fiocchi, Winchester Silvertips, Corbon, Glaser Powerball, Hornady CD etc, (could have bought another new gun by now with what I have spent on ammo and other "parts".)
Bottom line is I am calling Glock first thing Monday morning and requesting a return shipping label and let them try to fix it.(looking back I probably should have sent the gun back after the first day but I am stubborn) I just hope they dont fire 5 or so rounds of +P+ thru it and say it is fine and return it to me without a fix. I have 5 other glocks in gen2 and gen3 in 9mm, ,40,.357, .45, and 10mm. They all perform flawlessly with any ammo I feed thru them.
I am happy for all of you who have purchased new gen4 g19's and had no problems. But all manufactures of guns sometimes turn out a "lemon". I have owned 4 Lexus cars/suv's and the 3rd one (an LX470) gave me nothing but trouble. Guess what I did? Traded it in on a new LX470(the "pursuit" of perfection, not :"perfect".) I dont plan on abandoning Glock either. They put out a great product and when you make hundreds of thousands of any product there are going to be a few bad apples in the bunch. So far their CS and Tech dept. have treated me kindly and with respect. I hope I will be able to post in a week or two that they have completely rectified my problems with my gen4 g19.
Just for you "doubters" out there I will post pics in the next day or two of the new "04" spring they sent me along with the jams I experienced after installing the new revised spring. Until then if you havent already done so u might want to watch this video of a gen3 g19 vs gen4 g19 comparison. It is about 7 minutes long. Pay particular attention to the erratic/weak ejection problems starting about 2 1/2 minutes into the video. The guy shows slow motion video of the gen3 and gen 4 firing at the same time. If I owned a high quality video camera capable of super slo-mo I would film the problems I am having with the erratic ejections and shell frequently hitting me in the face. Here is the link to this other guys video.
Yeah that video is really good to see the differences in how the Gen4 is more sensitive to muzzle flip over the Gen3. I do not want you to feel I am making the assumption that you specifically are limp wristing. Of course showing a video of you shooting the Glock and having the problem would most assuredly prove if you are or are not. I happen to mention that because as I stated it is often 90% user 10% gun when it comes to problems with pistols. You may fall under the 10%. Obviously once the pistol makes it to glock and they do in fact replace something, it will have been the gun....For those that send a gun out, get it back with a we could not duplicate the issue...well... that's because it is user error or possibly ammo. It will be interesting to find out what they find as the issue and hope they correct it so you have a 100% reliable pistol.
You would still buy Lexus LX470 knowing all the recalls (still coming) for Toyota and Lexus?
When I was younger and poor, I bought a 1982 Mercury Lynx (Escort). It gave me nothing but trouble and had put in over $4,000 in repairs, same repairs in fact. Water pump went twice, two head jobs alone cost me $3200, plus rental car.
Well, let me tell you, I have never owned Ford product since. My son has never owned a Ford product now that he is grown.
I love Glocks, but I stayed with Gen 3 and RTF2, and decided to not get Gen 4 because of being new. Also, Gen4 grip wasn't all that.... but RTF2 grip is perfect for me. As you can see I own three Glocks RTF2 textures. I did sell my Gen3 19 and 36.
If it was HK, I would not have hesitated.
Look: you have a gun problem.
A.) Common Glock problems are almost NEVER solved with aftermarket parts, but problems are generally CREATED with aftermarket parts. This is actually common knowledge in the world of Glock, and if you already own 5 of them, as you claim, this should not be a new idea. Aftermarkert parts are great for some aspects of competition shooting, but NOT trouble-shooting.
B.) Pictures of an empty casing sitting in a jammed open slide doesn't show me anything. Pictures of springs don't tell me anything.
C.) I am a doubter as you have not been forthcoming about how you have made a concerted effort to slam the owners of this Forum at GT and it's membership, and the Glock Corp.. How many different websites have you pasted this into? (Imagine if you had put 1/10th of that energy into finding a SOLUTION.) So, one more time, how many different sites have you pasted this into in the last 2 weeks? ( I know the answer but you are evasive on this as it points to your real problem.) How may sites have now edited your posts and/or shut them down completely.
Oh my, don't want to talk about the 5 other sites who have edited and/or shut down your "problem" thread about your one and only lemon and prototype spring? Hmm. Anybody here know thi sguy from Texas?
So no other car out there has ever had problems? Awesome! I have a 98 Ranger that has been back and forth across this country a few times. Never had a single issue, just keep up on maintenance. So by my reasoning, my next truck will be a Ford. But whatever, lets all continue living in our little bubbles pretending that every other brand of gun besides Glock is perfect! I love ignorance.
Glocks have problems.
Some of you sound like cult members defending Glock.
Some of you sound ignorant to the nature of guns in general.
Yes, you are.