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Is Glock dropping the ball...

Discussion in 'General Glocking' started by Flexmoney, Jan 17, 2005.

  1. Flexmoney

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    ...looks like 3 of the top Production shooters in USPSA have recieved sponsorship...switching from the Glock to another platform.
     
  2. Joe D

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    Money talks?
     

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    Who switched?
     
  4. DaleGribble

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    Yeah, who we talking about that switched? Any members of Team Glock?

    One important point. I don't think Glock gives out sponsorships like some other manufacturers. Members of Team Glock (all 3 of them) work for GSSF, and they actually work a pretty busy schedule. They don't get to just shoot, pose for magazine photos and preach the manufacturers gospel.

    Just speaking for myself here...

    If I was good enough to be a winning GM, I wouldn't want to bust my hump for a manufacturer working for them and shooting for them to. If they were going to plaster my stunningly handsome mug on gun magazines with a picture of there gun in my hand then you can bet your *** that I wouldn't be a worker bee also. Now working the Shot Show and teaching classes is one thing, but Dave S. and Julie G. put in a lot of time and hard work at GSSF matches!
     
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    What! Someone doing something for money in USPSA? I thought the only person doing that in the shooting sports was Bill Wilson of IDPA.
     
  6. MarkP

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    Don't tease us man - who went where ?

    Mark

    ps
    does this mean there are some job openings ??
     
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    I don't know all 3 but it appears Matt Mink and Todd Sindelar have gone over to CZ.
     
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    I am not sure Glock is really pursuing the competition end of the game all that much. Granted lots of us are shooting them in competitions but I think Dave Sevigney & Julie Goloski are the best representatives they could get, anyway. They are both wonderful people & great shooters. I am not sure Glock needs anyone else doing this on their payroll. CZ does need some people, I think. I know Matt Mink has been hot on the trail to get some kind of sponsorship for a couple of years so congratulations to him for finding someone to supplement his shooting costs. He seemed like a nice guy when we met a year or two back.
    I personally am not afraid of some other gun manufacturer trying to beat the glocks. No one straight out of the box can beat the shootability of the glock, especially for the price. Of course, YMMV but that is my opinion. There are lots of other good guns but .......... there's only one glock! ;P Congratulations to the guys that got sponsored, good luck. MLM
     
  9. DaleGribble

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    Mark, I personally disagree with you on that point.

    Wrap your hands around a CZ75 and your opinion may change. My box stock 75B shoots better than every Glock I own.
     
  10. Mark L Miller

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    Dale, you are right, & I know there are lots of good guns out there but I have to stand by my opinion (everyone has one, right?) that straight out of the box, looking at a percentage, there are more dependable glocks than any other gun made. A cz75 is a great gun, I have a friend that shoots one & he loves it. But, as far as picking up 100 of them, do you think all 100 will run as consistently & reliably as 100 glocks will? I don't. Of course, that is just conjecture on my part. I have absolutely no proof. Just what I see. I don't see many folks at uspsa matches shooting cz75s. There are some, but not as many as glocks. However, I certainly don't want to dis your gun. If it works for you, great. The best thing is you are shooting. I do think that cz needs more publicity, though. Maybe Matt Mink will bring them some. The commercials with the Czech girl shooting is kind of uh...... interesting, I guess. I haven't seen her at any matches yet but maybe one day.
    By the way, when you say "better" what do you mean? More accurate? cycle faster? more dependable? Those are all pretty much personal opinions. If it works for you that is great. I am glad you have found the best gun for you. I have held a cz75 but it didn't really do it for me. Everyone is different. Good luck, keep shooting, see you around, right? MLM
     
  11. DaleGribble

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    Mark, opinions vary. I just think mine is the right one. ;f

    As much as I like my three Glocks I have to say that none of them are as reliable or as accurate as my CZ.

    Through five thousand rounds my CZ has never hiccuped, some people can say the same thing about there Glocks, but I can't.

    Accuracy is also better with the CZ, at least for me. I can run the plate rack from 40 yards with my stock CZ, couldn't do that with any of my stock Glocks. Of course that wasn't against a timer, strictly slow fire.

    I think the reason we don't see many CZ's in Production or IDPA SSP or ESP is the weight, the DA/SA trigger and poor marketing. Some people just don't like having two different trigger pulls, the gun is heavy and Glock has a huge market share the CZ may never be able to capture.
     
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    Nice thing about opinions is mine is right for me, yours is right for you. Maybe with Matt M on board & that other guy,(I don't know him) CZ may get a little publicity help. I am glad your cz is doing the job for you. Be safe Dale. MLM
     
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    From what I can tell, there are only a dozen shooters that have made Grand Master with the Glock.

    Only four (maybe five?) of them are/were actively shooting the Glock in Production.

    Now, three of them have gone over to CZ... Matt M, Todd S., and Petros M.

    If there were a "team event", CZ would win it.
     
  14. Custom Glock Racing

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    CZ has also had Angus for well over a year.
     
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    Dale & Flex have it right. Besides, Dale is an accomplished GSSF shooter & Flex is also an extremely accomplished shooter in USPSA (what class are you up to now Flex?); point is, they know what works & they have the results to back it up.

    In addition, at the last World Shoot in South Africa, everyone knows Sevigny won it. WHat people do not realize is that the next 5 finishers all used a CZ or CZ clone (Tanfoglio). Sevigny is a phenomenon. Want to bet that he would still have won had he been shooting a CZ?

    Finally, Beretta & Sig seem to believe that there are competitive benefits to a heavier steel frame (like the CZ). Both companies recently introduced steel framed versions of their top selling full sized 9mm semiautos.

    -Are the steel framed guns cheaper? No. More expensive.
    -Is a heavy steel framed gun better for CCW? Of course not.
    -Was the fierce 9mm recoil too much for the alloy 226 & 92? No.

    So why brand new steel frames? A.: Superior competition performance.

    Now, is the Glock still a great gun? Hey, I trust my life to one. I also shoot one in GSSF & win with it (see: Am Civ team results from PA & MD '04). But at the highest levels, it is not the only winning choice.


    Regards,

    D.C. Johnson
    www.shootersparadise.com
    USPSA/NROI
    GSSF Team Shooters Paradise


    Douglas
     
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    i dont know who dale g. is, but flex is a GM...with a glock!

    i'm not sure the gun will make much of a difference. matt and todd were great production shooters with glocks...and i suspect they will continue to be with CZs. lets see how things develop this season...
     
  17. DaleGribble

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    I'm just a squirrel going through life looking for a nut! ;f

    I agree with you about Sevigny. He could probably shoot any reliable semi auto and be at the top of his game.
     
  18. Mark L Miller

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    I also agree, Dave probably could shoot any reliable semi auto but he chooses & chose before he worked for them, to shoot a glock. :) Of course the CZ is a good gun, too. Hopefully with Matt & Todd they can get some good pr. Not just wins but good PR. This season may turn out very interesting. MLM