Is .38 Super More Reliable Than 9mm in a GM??

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  1. MGGLOCK9

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    I am getting back to 1911's after many years. Old man does not want .45ACP recoil. I keep reading the .38 Super matches OAL of .45 and hence feeds better than the 9? True? I guess I want a a gun now to shoot and not finagle with to make it reliable.
     
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    The 38 Super was designed for the 1911, so there's your answer. :)

    It's the only round that was.
     

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    Just poked around the Colt website to see what they offered these days in .38 Super. Couldn't find a thing. Sad.

    Now I'm on a mission to find someone who does.
     
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    What are you talking about?

    Colt currently has to offer the Competition in blued and in stainless steel. Not to mention the standard Government Model AND the pimp El Centauro.
     
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    Get a Colt. It shoots like a laser.
     
  6. Canoe2

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    No more el centauro listed unfortunately.

    There is also the Special Combat Government though. I experimented with one and was a little disappointed with the fit and finish for the price however.


     
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    That is my problem with Colt nowadays, you DON'T get what you pay for in my opinion.



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    Colt's 38 Supers do seem to be accurate.

    But, the only 1911s I have fired chambered in 38 Super were/are Colts.

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    This is why I stick with the standard Colts and none of that fancy smancy stuff.

    PS Looks like Colt pared down their offerings. I don't see the .38 Super El Centauro or the .38 Super Government Model Series 80 any more. They were listed about a month or so ago.

    Anyway, the Competition .38 Super is available in blued and SS.

    I'm waiting for the SS model to come in. Already got the blued one.
     
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    You might be right on the SCG. It could also have been from a production year where fit and finish were not high on the priority list I suppose. Others seem to have had good luck. In fairness, the test target was a ragged hole and that is really what matters. For the price, I just wasn't expecting rough machining marks, finishing flaws, and tolerances that were that loose. Though I recognize I shouldn't be too obsessed with tolerances as a bit of play in a service gun serves a purpose.

    I'm kind of eying that SS Competition model too. If I could find the El Centauro, I would seriously consider it, but no matter what I spring for, I want to handle it first.
     
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    Actually the Super .38 PISTOL predates the .38 Super CARTRIDGE by a few years.
    Colt adapted the Government Model for the 1900 vintage .38 Auto round in 1929 but the higher velocity load did not come out until 1932/33.
    http://www.38super.net/Pages/History.html

    To the OP, while I consider the .38 Super to be a smoother feeding round in the long 1911 action, Colt started working on 9mm P in 1949 and the major makers have gotten most of the bugs out. Ammo is more widely available and brass is cheap for the handloader. I shoot 9mm in a Springfield and a Colt, traded off my .38s a while back because I got tired of searching for my empties.

    The other option is handloading. A midrange or lighter .45 load is not going to kick any harder than a 9mm or .38. I shoot a good many of those, too.
     
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    I'm sure that there are a few El Centauros floating out there at a distributor warehouse. Just keep in mind that it's just a standard GM Series 80 SS that had been hand polished to mirror finish.
     
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    Maybe the RIA .38Super? I know it is a Philippine product but supposedly well fitted.
     
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    One of my favorite calibers, great for the handloader. Years ago I was able to buy Remington Super brass in bulk that was cheaper than 9mm +P brass. One of the things that I've noticed is that the Super has more of a lightening kill than the 45auto.

    I've loaded 125gr & 140gr Hornady and Sierra JHPs designed for the 357mag, work up your loads with selected powders and you'll see 357mag 125gr JHPs at 357mag velocities with very fast 1911 split times.

    In this part of the Southwest, the 38Super is known as the 357mag in a 1911, that about covers it. :)
     
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    Gallery of Guns has 2 models available. The Competition and the Stainless Competition. It also shows the
     
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    I think 38 Super is great if you reload. I would probably have more than two 1911s in 38 Super if I had not found 10mm.

    For reference below is 9mm (9x19) on the left then 38 Super (9x23SR). Next is the familiar 45ACP and on the right 10mm (10x25)

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    On thought is Colt developed the Commander in the late 40s for the Army Trials for a new pistol which was to be in 9mm NATO (9x19). Those tests were cancelled and when Colt started selling the Commander commercially they also chambered it in 45ACP and 38 Super.
     
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    I really appreciate all the thoughtful replies. I think I will, in the next few months, buy an RIA as a "just because" gun The .38 Super is the only commonly used handgun chambering I have never had. It is on my bucket list. BTW, my wife thinks I am nuts...
     
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    They have the model with the polished nickel finish. Very sweet.