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Ireland. Hindu woman in throes of miscarriage denied abortion

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Gallium, Nov 15, 2012.

  1. Gallium

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    Saw the story tonight, also. It seems that the "only in the event to save the mother's life" laws are so ambiguous, doctors walk away rather than risk their license, and women die. Sad. HH
     

  3. Gallium

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    Hippocratic oath (ETHICS and honesty) apparently does not apply, nor fly in Ireland.
     
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    Man, that sucks for the lady and her family. So much for European sensitivity and understanding and all that PC crap.
     
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    Bushflyr ʇno uıƃuɐɥ ʇsnɾ Millennium Member

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    Perfect example of what would happen here if the anti-choice zealots got their way. Go GOP, overturn Roe vv.Wade. :upeyes:
     
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    Apparently it isn't just Muslims who cling to a medieval ideology that costs lives. :upeyes:
     
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    I thought they at least had coathangers in Ireland. Hook, loop, pull.
     
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    vikingsoftpaw DEPLORABLE ME!

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    A miscarriage is a natural abortion. No need to provide the additional service. Abortion to save a mother's life is legal in Ireland.

    It is Socialized Medicine Issue.
     
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    How so? HH
     
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    No, it's not.

    If it were a cost issue, they would have done the abortion and gotten her out of the hospital. They didn't.
     
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    The doctors did not feel her life was threatened. They were wrong. They make mistakes all the time. She still could have died even if the abortion was given.

    When your time is up, your time is up.

    Sad though.
     
  12. RicoGordo

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    I have see some extraordinary stupid posts here and there, but this beats them all. Exactly how does a law banning induced miscarriage relate to socialized medicine?

    And no need to provide the additional service? The woman is now dead, so I think that pretty much indicates that you do not know what the hell you are talking about.
     
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    Under Ireland's socialized medical system, the government will reimburse the hospital and doctor for treatment of any injuries she sustains as a result of the miscarriage, but not for performing an abortion absent a demonstratable threat to the mother's life.

    For the hospital, the decision to abort or not when the pregnant woman originally came in complaining of back pain came down to "If we abort now and the government beauacracy disagrees that her life was in peril, we don't get paid. If we ride out the miscarriage and hope for the best, we get full reimbursement."

    The socialized reimbursement system adds a financial incentive and beaurocratic angle to what would otherwise be a matter of discussion strictly between the doctor and a medical review board on whether the doctor acted appropriately and her life was in danger.

    Edited to add: Don't take this post as implying that Ireland's strict anti-abortion law is defensible. I don't believe it is. I'm just pointing out that the socialized medicine aspect does play a role in such cases.
     
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    Exactly, she died of an infection which she very likely would have still gotten with the abortion. No way to know.
     
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    Oh, and let me guess, you think that if the rape is "legitimate" then the body will naturally not get pregnant? :rofl:
     
  16. RicoGordo

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    How can you blame the doctors? You don't know what the law is or how it is applied there.
     
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    I'm a 'pro-choice' conservative, but the main reason this story is making headlines is from the quote above.

    I'm sorry this lady lost her life but she probably would have been better off in India, or maybe not.
     
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    If there is no way to know, how can you say she "very likely" (your words) would have still gotten the infection?

    When there is an imminent miscarriage with these symptoms, US doctors would have performed an immediate abortion, because this is exactly what can happen when a miscarriage lingers.
     
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    If they could afford to live in Ireland, they could afford health care in India. You can get 1st world care in India if you have money.
     
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    "Very likely"?

    You think it's "very likely" that she would "still" have gotten septic after a medically indicated termination of her pregnancy performed in a hospital? You think that has the same likelihood as getting septic after three days of having a traumatic miscarriage and being in terrible pain?

    That's like saying someone who takes out his own kidney with a spoon and dies was "very likely" to die if the same procedure was performed by a doctor in a hospital. It's just stupid. Sure, she might have died anyway, but the chances are a lot lower.