Invitation for GTPI leftist trolls to read and comment on the The Biden-Harris Gun Control Plans

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  1. grumpy1

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    I notice nothing is mentioned about enforcing existing gun laws and more aggressive prosecution, especially for repeat offenders. Why is this? Matter of fact lack of will to prosecute is a major reason why gun violence related crimes are sky rocketing in the democrat controlled inner cities where the vast majority of these type crimes occur. Social justice warrior prosecutors like the Soros funded/installed Kim Foxx in Crook County Illinois are a perfect example of this.

    https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/crime-illinois-catch-release-justice-system/

    Short excerpt:

    "Chicago’s “Social Justice” prosecutor Foxx gave another hoodlum, Jwan Farley, two years’ probation for a pair of armed robberies. Other armed robbers like DeAngelo Dixon and Leandrew Wallace also negotiated sweetheart probation plea deals from Kim Foxx’s office.

    Meanwhile she sentenced a guy who stole 41 jars of Oil of Olay to 27 months in prison. Priorities, you know."
     
  2. Burebista

    Burebista "Democrats are garbage people"

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    Still no input from the usual suspects.
    I am starting to wonder why.


    Moderator Note:
    Do you all remember this advice?

    "Do not respond to those trolling you. They themselves will eventually cross the line with their efforts to entice you into behaving badly."
    Perhaps "the usual suspects" are heeding that advice.

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  3. ChuteTheMall

    ChuteTheMall Wallbuilder and Weapon Bearer

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    How many of those claimed 40,000 annual gun deaths are caused by NRA members, and how many by democrats?
     
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    KOB will eventually get on here and tell us:
    1. Trump sucks
    2. He doesn't like Joe Biden's gun policy
    3. Guns are not that important to him
    4. Trump's corruption is worse than Democrat corruption
     
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  6. Burebista

    Burebista "Democrats are garbage people"

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  7. Upgrayedd

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    They were up all night, cheering on their comrades who were out shooting cops and commiting arson all night, so they have to sleep in today?
     
  8. trajan07

    trajan07 dimly lit

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    The gun violence solution seems pretty simple when laid out in those terms. Maybe Joe should amend his proposal to just keep guns away from Democrat voters.

    In a world that something like that could actually happen, I can only imagine the USA becoming one of the safest countries on the planet.
     
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  9. Dave Brubaker

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    I, for one, am enjoying this thread since it has no [D] stooges making comments.

    Maybe new posts should be subthreads inside this one until after the election?
     
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  10. Khufu

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    You are racists and part of a systematic racists society with your white privilege. That is why.
     
  11. Khufu

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    Poeple tend to loose track of the main idea behind "Gun Control". The libs will tell you that too many people are getting killed and that is indeed a tragedy. As liberals have demonized guns and gun ownership, individuals in liberal areas have pretty much been disarmed and now suffer from being victims, as they think the Police will save them. This is the end result of Liberals attempt to disarm the American populace, as a Nation that is disarmed, can be Socialized very easily. (see NAZI Germany 1934-1945 for an example).
    So remember, when the Idiot Liberals talk of gun control, it is a smoke screen for total disarmament for the US, with the end result of the US becoming a 1 party Socialism.
    DO NOT COMPLY!
     
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    I find it strange that the mods have banned so many of our members, but allow these lefty trolls to come here and spout their B.S. unchecked.
     
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    Pleeeease do not think that I am a leftist Libertard, but I would not mind some changes in gun control. Now understand, this is coming from somebody who just got his FFL06 to manufacture and sell ammunition. From my perspective I think stricter laws against straw buyers, for instance, are absolutely merited. Violent felons should not be allowed to prchase guns and if they tried, then they should be punished. Used guns should fall under the same rules as new guns, that will prevent at least some of the wrong people to have access to them. When people who are not permitted to own guns are found in posession of such, then they should be punished severely and so should those that sold the guns to them. Children should under no circumstances have access to firearms, unless properly supervised by their guardians/parents. When children get access to guns then the parents should be punished and be held responsible for any resulting infractions. And as far as I am concerned, there is no good reason to not put serial numbers on 80% guns, other than make it possible for people who should not have access to guns, to make their own. Basically, I want stronger laws against criminals who are trying to arm themselves as well as making sure that guns are properly secured when kids are around.

    As far as putting fingerprint identifiers, or other such nonsense, on hand guns, Biden is once again completely delusional. Considering that it takes me multiple tries to open my phone, I wonder how effective a gun with similar characteristics would be in a self defense situation, never mind that all guns would require a complete redesign to be able to function in such a fashion.

    If you disagree with any part of what I posted, please explain your reasoning
     
  16. 'Ol Grandad

    'Ol Grandad Director of civil unrest

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  17. Khufu

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    This is tied to a later section of what you wrote that I will address below.


    Since "you have an FFL to manufacture and sell ammunition" let me explain it simply. 80% is an arbitrary that everyone on gun boards uses.

    Here is the real answers (from ATF)
    https://www.atf.gov/qa-category/receiver-blanks

    ATF has long held that items such as receiver blanks, "castings" or "machined bodies" in which the fire-control cavity area is completely solid and un-machined have not reached the "stage of manufacture" which would result in the classification of a firearm according to the GCA.

    "What is an “80%” or “unfinished" receiver?

    “80% receiver,” “80% finished,” “80% complete” and “unfinished receiver” are all terms referring to an item that some may believe has not yet reached a stage of manufacture that meets the definition of "firearm frame" or "receiver" according to the Gun Control Act (GCA). These are not statutory terms and ATF does not use or endorse them."



    Why don't you pick the number? It is somewhere between 0 and 100%.

    If you pick 0% the a block of aluminum is a receiver. Nearly Every block of aluminum over a certain size sold in the USA could be turned into one or more receivers. If you would like I can set you up with a tour of an AR15 manufacturer. You can look at the stack of aluminum billets. You can look at the stack of billets in process. And in the end they are receivers.

    Anyone with machining skills can make a gun. Guns have been made for centuries with much more crude equipment than we have now. If you get someone really good with a file and drill, they can make a receiver. Time consuming, yes, but very possible.

    So, the ATF made the rule so they could define when a gun became a gun by stating certain features must be present before it is a gun.


    When does your ammunition become ammunition and not components? Does a bar of lead count as a bullet? Is a bullet alone ammunition? What about a sheet of cartridge brass before a case is stamped. Is the sheet of brass ammunition? Where do you define "ammunition" to be "ammunition"?

    Why do we not have background checks, and possible waiting periods for any other Constitutionally guaranteed right. Free speech and voting are just as dangerous to society, maybe more so, as a gun. Please explain to me how one can justify a background check and providing identification to even get the background check, to exercise 2A rights, but not voting. Like owning a gun felons are prohibited from voting and presenting ID and verifying that someone is who they say they are and that they are no a prohibited person when voting.
     
  18. railfancwb

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    Used guns sold by dealers are subject to the same rules as new guns. Do you really mean there should be no direct person to person sales or transfers? Motor vehicles kill more people than guns. Should all used motor vehicles have to be transferred through licensed dealers?
     
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  19. Ollies930

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    Khufu,
    how about anything that can "reasonably" be expected to be turned into a gun. There is no good reason for 80% frames, unless you are talking about 1911's or the like, where people want to turn something into a handcrafted piece (which should have a serial number as well). Buying a P80 and finishing it with a template really has no benefit over buying a completed finished lower, other than it not being registered. What benefits do you see? Please explain.
    As far as voting is concerned, I absolutely believe that you should have to have a valid ID and if voting by mail, then it should be done well in advance with proof of ID, so every vote can be verified, before the actual elections.
    And as far as ammunition or parts thereof (primers, powder), most if not all states require ID so as not to sell to minors.
    Background checks are not required for free speech, since it is not illegal for a felon to voice his opinion. Without background checks, how would you suggest we prevent people who are not legaly allowed to own guns from purchasing them?

    Railfancwb,
    automobiles are hard to conceal in your pants and therefore are not to be compared to guns.
    It is childish to compare the two, but it does require a license plate and a valid drivers license to operate them on public roads. So realistically, they are not the free for all you suggest. And if you run afoul of the law, you loose the right to operate one. But yes, I do believe that all gun sales should pass a background check, whether through a licensed dealer, a police/sheriff station, or some other legal means.
     
  20. Khufu

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    Define “reasonable” when manufacturing something.
     
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