Interarms SS ppk quality and current price

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  1. Walter Bishop

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    It's funny because the PPK/S and the newer US guns with the beaver tail are actually better guns to shoot. A lot easier to hold onto. But almost nobody today is using their PPK as a daily carry gun. They are just cool collectables so people are more interested in originality.
     
  2. bac1023

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    Yeah, but the problem is that none of them are good shooters.

    I actually think the 32 models shoot better and most the newer stainless models are 380.
     

  3. Pier23

    Pier23 Silver Member

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    That is what you get when you diddle with original design specs. I have a pre-war Mauser HSc 7.65 that my father brought back from Germany - source a bit vague, but moving on. He carried that post-war while in Germany doing Occupation work. Lovely shooter, I play with it on occasion.

    So I wanted to get a shooting-grade version of this. Got a “modern” HSc in .380, that thing is a misery to fire and prone to jamming (though a local smith tweaked some springs and smoothed things out a bit, so I think the jamming issue got resolved.)

    L O N G way of saying, tinker with older designs at one’s peril.A .32 PPK is a pleasure to shoot (for me) plus it has that famous, if somewhat overwrought “impact like a brick through a window”. The .380 SmithWalther I enjoy, but it isn’t a range toy.
     
  4. Ofc.JL

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    On a side note Pier23, the .380 version of the HSc is known to be breakage prone, so be careful shooting it as parts can be tricky to get. That seems to have doomed the HSc on the American market, as the HSc was never intended to be calibered in .380 and when Mauser did, they created a big problem w/ an breakage prone pistol. I am lucky enough to own an Interarms import HSc in 7.65mm Browning(.32 ACP), it's original caliber. Other then being uncomfortable in my hand, it is a beauty, and very easy to shoot.
    Another side note is the HSc was Mausers response to Walthers PP/PPK pistol series. As I understand it, Walther loved Hitler and the Nationalists Socialists party of Germany(NAZI). They gave anything they could to the Party and more. And made a ton of money doing so. Mauser wanted some of the pistols contracts and developed the HSc in response. It worked, as the NAZI's liked it and bought lots of them. I understand the Kriegsmarine loved them, IIRC.
     
  5. Ofc.JL

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    I personally own 4 Walther PPK's, a PP clone(Walam 48) and 2 Bersa Thunders(1 in .380, and 1 in .32), and a commercial version of the mauser HSc in .32. I happen to like Walther style pocket pistols, even though I have a G43 to carry off duty.
    They are: a S&W PPK/S .380 that works well(Although I have learned how to tune a S&W PPK's, as they tend to be finicky. I have fixed several over the years for friends).
    A brand new Walther USA PPK that is as nice as any ever built, and it runs fine.
    A very nice 1968 no import stamp blue PPK in .32. It's only problem is that it has been reblued, but who ever did it(Interarms perhaps) did a perfect job, as the bluing is a beautiful Walther deep blue, and has no grind marks or dips.
    And a German made PPK/S in .22LR as a range toy. It is fitted w/ a paper worked TAC 65 suppressor and is quiet!
    Like I said earlier, I happen to like PPK's and even w/ the newer beaver tails, yes the .380's kick. But loaded w/ Hornady XTP's, they still make a pretty good short distance anti personnel weapon for defense.
    IMHO, anyway.:D
     
  6. Ofc.JL

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    Narkcop: as far as getting a PPK or PPK/s, if you know a decent gunsmith who knows the PPK series guns, you can get a cheaper S&W version and have them tune it. A S&W PPK/s will work just fine tuned up correctly. And you don't have to worry about beating up a nice collectable PPK when you carry it, especially if you get Stainless. They are easy to buff up. And the bigger beavertail does work, it helps to control the pistol in recoil. The PPK was designed in .32 caliber 1st, and .380 later. A .32 caliber PPK is very easy to shoot fast and accurate. The .380's, not as easy, but they can be mastered w/ practice.
    My PPK/s is a S&W version, and required very little work to run well.
    The newer Walther USA guns are very nice, as nice as Walther has ever built. But demand outstrips supply as always, so prices have gone up some. $799 is about Par for a new one from Walther. As always, shop them out on the internet, you can find them cheaper. Best of Luck, Bro.
     
  7. Robert Kittine

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    I recently bought a S/S Walther PPK/s. It is a Walther USA made one. Barrel and slide apparently made in the Ulm Factory in Germany and the balance manufactured by Walther employees at Walther USA in Arkansas. I love it. It is as good if not better than my 1971 100% German made one. Still has the sharp edges so be careful, but much better, IMO, than the ones that were made under Smith and Wesson's watch.

    I wore the finish of my 1971 Blue model carrying it, but had it nickeled, which has held up great, but I wanted a S/S.

    Apparently you can be a direct Dealer with Walther USA, but it takes a major stocking order. Three shops in my area wanted $799.00 but all bought their inventory from Direct Dealers that only gave courtesy discounts. I bought mine from Davis Gun Shop in Sloatsburg, New York for $685.00 brand spankin new. And unlike Bud's they have them.

    Bob
     
  8. Pier23

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    It would be nice for Walther to offer the PPK in .32 (7.65). Don’t know what the market would be, but that would be a great optopn.

    And as for the Mauser HSc, I completely agree! The HSc is such an -elegant- pistol, but then I am a sucker for art deco anyway. You can never again have what once was, but a reimagined HSc would be wonderful.

    And I am not certain I would even want it reimagined..... a modern .32 load would be an effective option for discreet carry and users with smaller hands. And the trend toward 454 Casul derringers is really mixing too many metaphores.
     
  9. rds95991

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    The only Walter PP/PPKs/PPK I've ever had problems with are the Ranger manufactured ones. That is the only one that leave railroad tracks on my shooting hand.
     
  10. Ofc.JL

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    Pier, if you go looking over a period of time, .32 caliber PPK's and PPK/s's do show up from time to time on Gunbroker, Guns International, etc. Stay away from Armslist, they let too many scanners in.
    And Walther USA has said that they will probably make PPK/PPK/s's in .32 again in the near future. Sign me up for a stainless PPK in .32!!

    I do like my HSc in .32, it is a beauty. Mags are pricey, but Triple K makes a decent mag for it, so there is that.

    I found a FEG WALAM 48 online that was less then $200 and I bought it quick. It uses Walther mags(unlike the other FEG pistols!), and is a .32 PP clone. Mislabeled as an AP MBP, I snatched it up. Only the true WALAM 48 used Walther PP magazines. It has a small amount of finish damage(speckling), but otherwise damn near new inside. Easiest centerfire pistol I own to shoot!

    On a side note, I was fortunate to find a 2012 import of a Bersa Thunder in .32. I bought it forthwith, knowing that Eagle Imports only brought in around a 1000 of .32 Thunders in 2011/2012 and then never again. My pistol came with 2 9 round mags, and I was fortunate enough to find 2 more. The Pistol is not a real collectors piece other then they are not readily available and highly sought after. And yes, it is a absolute pleasure to shoot!
    Yes, I do like .32's. My 1st real auto pistol was a Bernardelli Mod 60 in .32. That was an easy pistol to carry and shoot, and started my love affair w/ the 7.65 Browning cartridge.:D
     
  11. Jan R Whitaker

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    Love my Walthers, I have a ppk,380 born in 68 and a ppk/s 380 born in 75. I think they are both good carry pistols. carried them for a lot of years and can't see myself changing.
     
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  12. Ofc.JL

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    for your enjoyment;

    Mauser HSc(Hahn Selbstspanner, Modelo C)
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    FEG WALAM 48, very often mislabled as an AP MBP.
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    Bersa Thunder .32 Very rare and hard to find.
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    And my 1st .32, a Bernardelli Model 60 in .32.
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    all images are internet stock photos, but are representative of what I own, save for the B 60.
    All of my pistols are 7.65 Browning caliber.
     
  13. Ofc.JL

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    For the price of $799, Narkcop, you can get a used PPK from Interarms or S&W. Have a gunsmith go thru it. If you do go with a .380, I whole heartedly recommend getting the beavertail version. The PPK in .380 kicks, and the beavertail helps hold it down, and avoid slide bite.
     
  14. Walter Bishop

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    If you want 32acp at a reasonable price your only real option is an Ulm PP. Lots on GunBroker for $500-600. An Ulm PPK is $850 and up. A US-made 32acp PPK was only made for one year, 1998, and one of those rarities just sold for $1550 on GunBroker.
     
  15. Pier23

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    My Walther PPK/s, ersatz PPK and Mausers:

    War-era Mauser HSc in 7.65mm, my father’s post-war carry pistol.

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    Interarms import German-made Mauser HSc in .380, my “modern” shooter
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    SmithWalther in .380
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    And no collection would be complete without the FEG knockoff, an SMC380
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    Window light not what I had hoped for, but was in a rush.
     
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    Custom Glock Racing I did it first. Millennium Member

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  17. DrewBone

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    Many mistakenly believe that what a used firearm is being offered for and what it sells for on GunBroker is what it's worth, but more accurately stated, those numbers are merely representative of what someone could pay instantly for it ~or~ what they were willing to pay for such a firearm.

    The only place where the OP will find reasonably priced Walther PP-PPK-PPK/s' is out there in the real world at gun and pawn shops, where the potential purchasers aren't in competition with one another inside an adjustable timeframe (the "15 minute rule"). This scheme only serves to artificially inflate the purported "value" of firearms.

    Below is a French Manurhin PP chambered in .32acp that I purchased in a semi-local pawn shop. It's in pristine condition with two mags but no box, that I purchased for $400. There are many such deals are out there to be found, but it requires that you have some patience and sometimes just the dumb luck of being in the right place at the right time. I increase my odds of coming across good deals and unexpected finds by visiting different shops frequently.

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    I just checked GunBroker and there are numerous Manurhin examples currently offered starting at $549, and there's a group of them being offered in what I'd consider "fair" condition, showing lots of bluing wear, some pitting, and huge import markings. Below is a one of these examples:

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    Link to GunBroker Manurhin PP example shown above...

    Now honestly...$549, for ^^^ that ^^^ ???

    Again, it's GunBroker, an auction site, where a seller can ask anything they want for a firearm, but that asking price often doesn't reflect that particular firearm's actual value.
     
  18. Pier23

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    Lovely piece - - sadly out of my range, but very nice Walther.
     
  19. Walter Bishop

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    Drew - To determine market value of anything, whether it is a gun or company stock you need liquidity. That means a sufficient number of buyers and sellers to maintain a free flowing market for the item. An internet marketplace with a large number of buyers and sellers is liquid and determines market value. You are right that you can purchase less desirable guns like a PPK in a gun store for a lower price but that is because only a tiny fraction of people walking in the door are interested in something like a PPK so they sit on the shelf for a long time. But that means the guns are selling for below market value not that the store is the "true" price. The downside to that lower price is fewer choices. So you might be able to buy a PPK for less in a store but won't be able to choose the specific version you might prefer which you could find on GunBroker with its larger number of sellers.
     
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  20. rayzer007

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    I sold my PPK to a friend years ago, with right of buy back if he decided to sell it. I won't ever exercise that option.