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Innova is great food!!

  1. When I heard about the pet food recall a couple of months back I switched my samoyed/husky cross over to Innova dry food.Had been feeding Beneful. Believe it or not I'm actually saving money! I buy the 15kg. bag for 45bucks at the pet store in town.This bag lasts her so much longer than the equivalent amount of Beneful. Plus, her coat seems healthier.She also gets my supper shared with her and this is almost always chicken and vegetables. I don't like beef except for the occasional burger witch also goes about 75%me 25%dog. Well just wanted to share my oppinion on Innova pet foods. Oh yeah, almost forgot, I switched my cat to Innova too and it loves it. Dave
  2. I love it when people change from a crap food to a quality food. Most of the reactions are the same!

    Good job on taken care of your animal.
  3. Seriously, you couldn't have gone further across the pet food quality spectrum if you tried. Beneful is one step above anti-freeze.
  4. We feed raw ground up rabbit, raw ground up beef with fresh vegetables, raw fish and raw whole chicken necks and breasts. They also get Aunt Jennie’s raw and honest kitchen dehydrated raw. When we are at a race and unable to feed raw we feed Innova Evo.
  5. Nice, I am looking for feed back on if I made the right decision, and so far all is positive. I love my pets more than anything so thanks for tellin' me I made the right choice.
  6. Do you any pulling with your dog?
  7. Nope, but I did buy her a nice harness so that she can pull me. see, i'm partially disabled with a back injury from the Army so I made sure my dog and I could have a balance. ofcourse she is stonger than me but if I was to have her as a sled dog we'd be the fastest thing around.I do have dreams about skijouring (if thats the right way to spell it) with her but I'm lucky that I can spend 2 hours outside walking with her each day. If I was ever fully incapable of walking her I would pay someone to do it for me.My dog is my saviour and I'm blessed to be in her presence and give her the love that she deserves. Thanks for asking how strong she is though. I make sure she gives me enough excercize. Dave
  8. I was discharged from the Marines with two knee injuries.

    We got one of my little guys in to weight pulling. We go to the Malamute club and they were really supportive. It's incredible to watch the team work between the dog and the human. Some of my friends do both weight pulling and sled racing. They weight pull in the summer and sled in the winter. Dogs are great for healing the soul. My one dog is on his way to getting his therapy certificate and my little one when he is done showing will hopefully get his delta dog.

    Your dog is beautiful and I wish you many years love and happiness.
  9. I feed Canidae and am very happy with it. A top quality food and our dog does very well on it.

    Great job switching from a very poor quality food to a top quality food.
  10. Hi there,

    I, like LBTRS, feed my babies Canidae. It is a fantastic food! Good for you for caring so much for your baby!

  11. Cheap dog food is like concealed carry with a cheap gun. It may be a cheap up front cost, but it will cost you a lot more down the line.
  12. oh wow! i feel like a crappy dog owner

    i feed my springer beneful and thought it was good brand..obviously i didnt do my research..

    what makes beneful so bad for the dog?

    what make innova so good?

    thanks in advance
  13. Hi Yunone,

    Below, I am going to post this handy test that helps to determine the quality of your dog food. Basically, cheap dog foods are the same as fast food. Most cheap dog foods have ingredients you can't pronounce, weird preservatives, parts of animals humans wouldn't dare to eat, etc etc. In addition, most of these foods use a ton of carbohydrates as filler, a.k.a sugar. Believe it or not, if you put a dog on a high quality food after it has been on cheap food all of its life, you will probably notice a difference in the way they act. Why? Because the cheap food gives them a constant sugar high. They will probably be more calm and they will be able to eat less of the more expensive food because the more expensive/high quality foods have more protein than the carbohydrate-filled cheaper foods, and protein keeps your dog full longer. Also, lots of dogs are sensitive to gluten, which tends to be in the cheap foods and was a part of the massive pet food recall that occurred recently. The high quality foods have vitamins, minerals, and other igredients that will actually help keep your pet healthy. I end up spending less when I buy the high quality food (I feed Canidae)because I can feed my dogs less of the higher quality food.
    I hope this helps! Don't feel bad! I fed my Chihuahua cheap food for the first few months after we got her. We have noticed a big difference since switching her to Canidae.

    How to grade your dog's food:
    Start with a grade of 100:

    1) For every listing of "by-product", subtract 10 points

    2) For every non-specific animal source ("meat" or "poultry", meat, meal or fat) reference, subtract 10 points

    3) If the food contains BHA, BHT, or ethoxyquin, subtract 10 points

    4) For every grain "mill run" or non-specific grain source,subtract 5 points

    5) If the same grain ingredient is used 2 or more times in the first five ingredients (i.e. "ground brown rice", "brewerâ?Ts rice", "rice flour" are all the same grain), subtract 5 points

    6) If the protein sources are not meat meal and there are less than 2 meats in the top 3 ingredients, subtract 3 points

    7) If it contains any artificial colorants, subtract 3 points

    8 ) If it contains ground corn or whole grain corn, subtract 3points

    9) If corn is listed in the top 5 ingredients, subtract 2 morepoints

    10) If the food contains any animal fat other than fish oil,subtract 2 points

    11) If lamb is the only animal protein source (unless your dog is allergic to other protein sources), subtract 2 points

    12) If it contains soy or soybeans, subtract 2 points

    13) If it contains wheat (unless you know that your dog isnâ?Tt allergic to wheat), subtract 2 points

    14) If it contains beef (unless you know that your dog isnâ?Tt allergic to beef), subtract 1 point

    15) If it contains salt, subtract 1 point

    Extra Credit:

    1) If any of the meat sources are organic, add 5 points

    2) If the food is endorsed by any major breed group or
    nutritionist, add 5 points

    3) If the food is baked not extruded, add 5 points

    4) If the food contains probiotics, add 3 points

    5) If the food contains fruit, add 3 points

    6) If the food contains vegetables (NOT corn or other grains), add 3 points

    7) If the animal sources are hormone-free and antibiotic-free, add 2 points

    8 ) If the food contains barley, add 2 points

    9) If the food contains flax seed oil (not just the seeds), add 2 points

    10) If the food contains oats or oatmeal, add 1 point

    11) If the food contains sunflower oil, add 1 point

    12) For every different specific animal protein source (other than
    the first one; count "chicken" and "chicken meal" as only one protein source, but "chicken" and "" as 2 different sources), add 1 point

    13) If it contains glucosamine and chondroitin, add 1 point

    14) If the vegetables have been tested for pesticides and are pesticide-free, add 1 point

    94-100+ = A
    86-93 = B
    78-85 = C
    70-77 = D

    69 = F
  14. thank you so much

    i appreciate your help

    i still feel so bad.. my springer is inside for the most part and loves the water when we can get him down to the shores, but for the most part will just lay around on the bed. i wrote it off as us not being home or when we are home just being lazy ourselves... i bet its also the dog food

    we had him on purina for the first couple of years and last year switched to beneful.. healthy weight

    looking at the ingredients it reads as if it were a candy bar or bag of chips

    thanks a million for opening my eyes and most likely adding years to my dogs life

    you all mentioned innova and me not being a super techie dog person would gladly jump ship to this brand... i think that would be a resounding yes from all you correct?

    once again thank you for your help and future assistance

    my poor doggy :(
  15. Awwwww, no worries, you aren't a bad mommy! You are a GREAT mommy for actually caring about your dog's diet! So many people look at a dog as JUST a dog. We see it differently, and that makes a world of difference. :) Once you let a dog into your heart, you're a goner!!
    Innova is on the expensive side, but if you have just one dog that will probably work out for you. I work with two people that raise and show their dogs, and they feed Canidae. They feed Canidae because it is a high quality food that is more affordable when you have as many dogs as they have (10+ dogs). I have heard that Innova is an excellent choice. It is FAR superior to Beneful, and that's what matters! :)
    I'm glad that this thread has helped you so much!

  16. thanks rebecca... Can i be a Daddy instead of a mommy? hehe... my wife might not agree with me changing genders on her... hehe ... just playing as i realize i am using a unisex username :)

    My local pet store Sells innova and the price is not important as my dogs well being... if you love someone you will do whatever it takes to ensure their happiness
  17. Oops! Yep, you can be a Daddy! hehe I'm thinking that the cost of a sex change would be a tad more than paying for Innova for your fur baby. hehe
    Believe me, high quality food will make a big difference. I really hope that you see an obvious difference. I noticed a big difference. It's like a human switching from eating fast food three times a day to a healthier, less processed diet. You can't help but feel and look different.
    Our pets deserve it. :) Please keep me updated on how your dog likes the food and if you notice any changes!!

  18. Will Do!
  19. Many say this, and I will say it again. Anything that wal-mart sells is not suitable for your dog's consumption. I cry a little inside when I see people buying "ol Roy". I think that places like Petco and Petsmart turn people off of feeding their pets quality food. For quality food at a place like petco(IMO they carry middle grade food), it will cost around $40-50 for a big bag. Whereas you can get a really high grade bag of food at a feed store for around $30(big bag).

    Plus, as others have said, a lot of times you end up feeding half the quantity.
  20. YUCK! When I see someone buying Ol' Roy I want to cry. But, like I said earlier, there are many people out there that do not have a second thought about buying their pets the cheapest, nastiest pet foods. If humans had to eat it, I'm betting they'd get the high quality food!
  21. I just recently learned how poorly I had been feeding my pets here too. We just switched both our Chihuahua's to Canidae and our cats to Felidae.

    Sorry I was being awfully dramatic about Beneful's toxicity.

    After I had learned to read labels a little better I began to read all dog food labels everywhere I found them. When I finally read what was in Beneful I was pretty shocked. It is some bad juju.

    The piss-poor quality of their food and their incessant advertising has started to get under my skin and I have taken to bad-mouthing their product whenever I can.
  22. my local pooch place didnt have innova, but did stock many varieties of canidae and thats what i went with

    the young lady at the counter was so awesome, and so full of info and gave us samples of food and treats..

    i went 50/50 with the canidae and beneful..at least for a week she said to help the transition to the new food

    she also had great things to say about variety and using raw foods to feed my doggy...
    she advised it was ok to switch from different types of raw food or different types of dry foods to help spread the advantages of different types of meat proteins and what not..i am sure i am missing half of what she said to me, but what i did glean from was some great advice in my opinion and you can tell she cared about animals and talked highly of how she fed her pooches....

    i am going to go with the canidae and see how that does and introduce some more wet food into my dogs diet...i subscribed to the one food for life philosophy for my dog till today. it made sense to offer variety of cuisine to my dog....

    he just pounded through the new 50/50 mix so i think the canidae is a success...yea

    thanks again for the assistance

    here is a pic of my pooch..his name is milo and he is such a cute bugger


  23. Awwwwww, Milo is adorable!!! I hope he LOVES Canidae. I call it "crack for dogs." hehe When I switched them to Canidae, they hoovered it. They love that stuff. This stuff is like caviar compared to Beneful! I'm so glad to hear that the lady at the store was helpful. Sometimes they seem so annoyed to be working, that I don't even bother to ask them questions. I need to post pics of my babies.
    Let us know how it goes!! Give Milo a treat for me!

  24. Yay! another dog off crap food. I'm glad these threads are making a diffrence.
  25. as far as i can see he is loving the fifty fifty combo i am giving him....he scarfed it down this morning with no hesitation..he is loving the treat samples the lady gave us....

    i am hoping to see an improvement in his demeanor over the next few weeks and that will always make me happier.. happy dog=happy owner

    pics pics pics

    we need pooch pics :)
  26. I don't know much about Innova or Canidae but have heard they are good. That being said, I feed my two German Shepherds a natural diet consisting of raw chicken (pretty much broiler chickens from Costco) along with a veggie slop concoction that I make in the blender that includes - among many things - carrots, celery, mackerel, chicken liver, pork shoulder, alfalfa powder, olive oil, raw eggs with shells, apples, and whatever else I might have in the kitchen. The veggie slop accounts for 25% of their diet and the raw meat and bones is 75% of their diet.

    Check out these links on the quality of commercial kibble, and be prepared to be sick.

  27. Thanks for the info Turbo! I work with two ladies who breed and show dogs and they also include eggs with the shells, raw meats, etc etc in their dogs' diets. If a dog eats kibble alone, it's like a human eating the same cereal three meals a day, for life! That's sad and not the healthiest diet. :(

  28. Here is a link to my web site. This is the Link for holistic foods. These are just some of the companies we use. Our dogs have a ever changing diet, specially on what season and sport they are running. My show dog gets a different diet before shows. As for kibble we have used in the past Solid Gold, Canidae, Original Wellness Simpler Solution, Merrick and Inova. There have been a few we have been asked to try out. There has been some kibble we loved, but it was to hard to find or it was to expensive. Sometimes we use Merricks can food at races, but pain to get rid of the cans.

  29. Here is the link to the company from which the two dog breeders/showers that I know get the nutritional supplements for their dogs. They just gave me a sample of them today and I will start giving them to my dogs. I've heard that they work VERY well! I'll let you know what I think!


  30. great posts

    thanks....what a great week full of good info and a happier dog
  31. Just a quick note... don't feed kibble and RMB in the same sitting. The two different foods digest at a different rate, and it is not good for Fido.

    By the way, since we are talking about keeping our pets healthy, have you ever wondered why you hear so many dogs get cancer, when they have none of the vices (tobacco, alcohol, drugs) we humans have? Why doesn't the general public (and mainstream vets) ever question this? I'd put money on it being all the carcinogens that go into mainstream kibble.

    Since it was mentioned earlier, here is a pic of my two girls.

  32. VERY good point Turbo! Wow, I love that we have so many knowledgable pet owners on GT. GT pets are LUCKY to have such great parents!

    Rebecca:thumbsup: :banana:
  33. cute babes for sure.. i love the look of a shepherd...so honest and put together

    Great points Rebecca as i am so blown away what i have learned about my doggy on a gun forum...love the environment thats hear
  34. I really had no idea that i was feeding Zeua and Abby a bunch of junk. I was giving them Pedigree Complete Nutrition. I went tonight to the pet store and got some Innova Red Meat plus 10 cans of the 95% meat wet food. I mixed 3 cups of the dry and 1 can of the wet. They tore it up and absolutely loved it. They will get that as long as i can afford to buy it (i spent $89 tonight) for them, which shouldn't be a problem.

    BTW --> Zeus is a 115# Rottie and Abby is a 6# Chihuahua.

    Here's a few pics:


  35. After finding this thread I did some research. I have been using Pro Plan lamb and rice formula for my GWP who is 4 yrs old now. I looked at Innova and Canidae and used both sites search function. Luckily my local feed store carries both brands.
    I called them this morning and the owner gave me his opinion on these foods. He believes they are both a step up from Pro Plan. He still considers Pro Plan a good choice but he put it in third. I will give one of them a try. Probably the Canidae since they have a lamb formula.
    I am really glad I finally came to this sub-forum. Thanks for the post.
  36. Hi Tahqua!

    Canidae is definitely a big step up. Innova is a specialty food. It is another step up, but it is also much more expensive. That's why most people feed Innova when their dogs have special needs. It is a richer food. I think your baby will really enjoy Canidae. Most dogs inhale it and it does not contain any ingredients that often upset dogs. Let us know how it goes! Thanks for being such a great parent!

  37. Speaking of richer, I noticed the Canidae has 21% protein versus 26% for the Pro Plan. I might still go back to the Pro Plan during bird season as my GWP loses a few pounds every fall from being afield.
    I do want to stick with the lamb, though, or I would give the Innova a try as they have 24%.
  38. Hi Tahqua,

    In reality, it's all about the usable calories in the food. Look at the Kkcal. I think that the Pro Plan has about 487, which is good and Canidae has around 468. Plus, if you have a hunting dog that needs a good deal of protein, I would suggest mixing chicken in with his food. Just mix in basic, boiled chiken. It's best to vary your dog's diet anyway, but your dog seems to need more protein.
    The Pro Plan food has gluten in it, and I won't feed that to my dogs. They are both sensitive to it. As soon as I switched them to the gluten-free Canidae they stopped having "soft serve" stools (sorry for the visual). Besides, that's the ingredient that was part of the latest massive pet food recall.
    I hope this helps!

  39. That is good information and I will definitely consider doing that. Actually she gets plenty of meat scraps mixed in with her dry food as is when up north.
    I will pick up the Canidae this week and report back on it.
    I talked to a guy from work whose cat just died from Iams food. He said it was involved in this recent problem with pet foods. This is just another reason I want to change.
    Thanks for the help,
  40. I'll throw a second in there for Innova. We have four German Shepherds and a Pemmbrooke Welsh Corgi. We train too, AKC obedience, tracking and schutzhund. For what it's worth, we feed a mix of raw ( similar to what Turbo described.. raw beef, raw chicken, and veggies ) and kibble. We currently feed Califonria Natural, but if we ever had to change, Innova would be our choice.. As some else suggested.. if you do a bit of research, you'll see just how lacking and unhealthy most commerical dog food can be.. it's scary.

    Anyway, Innova's a great choice.

  41. This is the most successful thread that I've ever started. Is it just coincidence that people who own guns are often more likely to appreciate the lives of everyone around them, more than those anti-gun folks. Why don't we hear about that in the media. Anti's simply don't value life,Human or animal as much as us. I take alot of pride in that.Thanks to everyone for paying attention to this thread and being responsible pet owners. If you research ballistics to know what type of firearms to own, you might as well research canine nutrition to know what to feed your dog.Dave :thumbsup: :)
  42. Wow. I was directed here from the GNG page, and started reading all this stuff. We've got a mini schnauzer, not a working dog by many means, but a perimeter alarm and a family pet. We feed him Kibbles and Bits on good months, and Ol' Roy on the tight months.

    My head's kinda spinnin...i suppose i should get a small sack of canadie or something and try him.
  43. I did a fair amount of searching all over the internet when I first chose my dog food. I am not the type of person to cheap out on quality where it makes a difference. That being said, I could not find a single study, or even report, that showed any sort of difference between dog foods when it came to the dogs health. Obviously if your dog is allergic to something in your dog food you need to change it. That being said, I just could not find any sort of scientific evidence to justify buying something more exensive than the regular dog foods.

    I didn't go Ol'Roy cheap (though I am far from convinced it isn't nearly identical to some Pedigree or Purina blend put in a different bag), but as far as I can tell there are no scientifically proven health benefits to the expensive food.

    I would love to be proven wrong, because I care about my dogs well being a lot, but I need actual evidence not just anecedotal stories.
  44. Dogs are CARNIVORES. They need protein from meat, not plant/vegetable materials. If the first 3 to 4 ingredients in a dog food include are plant/vegetable based ingredients, then that means that most of the food is useless. Dogs don't need it and can't digest it, so it goes right through their systems. Their intestinal tracts are much shorter than those of humans. Food stays in a dogs digestive tract for approximately 3 hours, as compared to three days for humans. Therefore, dogs need food that contains ingredients and nutrients that can be quickly and efficiently broken down and utilized, not ingredients that cannot be used. Sure, cheap food has nutrients in it, but if it is all plant/vegetable/carbohydrate-filled, those nutrients will not be able to be absorbed as efficiently as with a high-quality food. In cheap foods, hooves, beaks, toe nails, etc are ground up and put into the food as fillers. Dogs cannot take any nutrients from those ingredients. They are not digestible. They need MEAT for protein and fat. In cheap foods, you will tend to see too much of indigestible ingredients and too little of the nutrients that actually are digestible. Yes, a dog can live on Ol'Roy and Kibbles and Bits, but is the dog using that food as efficiently as it can and gaining as much nutrients and benefit as possible? No. So, basically it's like buying the really cheap off-brand batteries. They work, but they tend not to last as long and I've had several leak. So, do you spend a couple of extra bucks on Energizer? I do. Remember, dogs can eat less of the high-quality food. Why? Because, as I said, since they are able to absorb and use more of the food's ingredients, they don't need as much volume. The cheap foods add more carbs/fillers to substitute for the fact that dogs will be hungry faster when they are unable to absorb proper nutrients from their food. Carbs help to fill up their stomachs and keep them full, but offer no health benefits. I have attached a link to an article from the Whole Dog Journal that outlines the differences between low and high quality foods and why those differences are important. Please read it. I know that Purina and Eukanuba also do a great deal of nutritional research and I believe they have some of the findings on their websites.


  45. I wouldn't need to read scientific studies to tell me not to feed my child McDonald's 3 meals a day, seven days a week. I just wouldn't do it. Same thing for a dog. Dogs have been designed to eat real food for over 1 million years. Mainstream kibble has been around for 60 years (so has highly processed food for humans - coincidence?). It's all just about the math.

    The commercial dog food industry, in large part, came about because companies like General Mills, P&G, and their predecessors wanted a outlet for all the crap that they cannot sell to humans. Corn husks, cobs, stalks...any part of the plant that they cannot convince humans to eat.

    To piggy-back on what SouthernGal just said, the veggies that dogs ate would primarily be the stomach contents of their kill. Dogs don't graze on wheat, corn or rice (heck, even humans didn't eat rice until 10,000 years ago, after they learned how to cook). You may see dogs eating grass or picking at leaves but that is purely for water.

    If you just try a premium brand for a month or two, you'll probably see a difference in your dog. You could easily tell by the stool - it will probably be a lot smaller, and will dry out much quicker, because - as SouthernGal said - your dog will absorb more of the nutrients and a lot less fillers will pass through Fido.

    For me, I just like to take it one step further to what mother-nature intended for the canine, which is why I like a raw, natural diet. However, this is not convenient for everyone, and premium kibble is the next best thing.

    TEHO but give it some consideration. At minimum, the ingredients going into mainstream kibble has been well documented - and it is some SCARY stuff.
  46. If it was that simple then it would be obvious. However, there are simply no studies (that I have ever seen) that show any health benefit for premium food vs. mid-range food. (Assuming your dogs aren't allergic to any of the ingredients of course.)

    I personally don't care if one food results in more poop than another, though I can see why some might.

    In short, I need science to persuade me to switch. If there was a health benefit you would think that the premium dog food companies would be pouring money into proving it. Imagine what a great claim dogs fed brand x live, on average, 2 years longer than brand y would be. And yet, there aren't any claims even a little like this.

    To me, this makes it seem highly likely that there is no such benefit. If you sold premium dog food, and your food really made dogs healthier, wouldn't you be screaming from the rooftops about the results of your study?
  47. Fortunately for some dogs, it is that simple.

    But consider this...

    1) Most premium food companies are 'mom-and-pop' shops. There are some premium producers that are a bit larger but nothing compared to the power-houses like Proctor & Gamble, Colgate-Palmolive, Nestle, and Mars - not even remotely close. Then you have the symbiotic conspirators in separate industries that have a huge stake in pet-foods: agri-business like Cargill and ADM; mainstream vets; big-Pharma, pet stores, and vet schools/universities. One can only imagine the dollars they are willing to spend, and the arms they are willing twist, to protect their $15b a year industry ($25b world-wide). This $15b is just pet food in the U.S., and does not include the side industries mentioned.

    2) Consider the premium pet food companies' profit margins - paying for higher grade ingredients, while facing consumer pricing pressures (price needs to be in check to stay somewhat competitive with commercial kibble). Also, premium food companies don't have other product lines (like toothpaste, candy bars, pet toys, and laundry detergent) to help feed the bottom line. The huge dollars that the conglomerates have pays for lots of marketing, ownership in pet-related magazines, dog-show sponsorship, lots of perks to vets, lots of funded studies in vet schools, and lots of political strong-arming (think FDA, USDA, EPA, as well as lobbyists in the side industries mentioned).

    To use an analogy, just think about how feasible it might be for a local hardware store or small grocer to run TV ads, versus Walmart buying up huge plots of land and sitting on it for years to get the zoning, do traffic studies, EPA studies, muscle-out any obstacle, etc. Walmart could survive years and years sitting on vacant land, but the small store owner will go out of business in a few short weeks if their revenues are disrupted.

    3) "Screaming" takes a lot of money - a BOAT-LOAD of money. I am not talking about just the marketing piece (TV ads), but clinical studies themselves are extremely expensive. We are talking about $250k up to millions of dollars for clinical trials.

    For example, there is a current effort to study and prove that rabies shots are effective for 5 - 7 years, versus most state laws that require 3 yr. vaccinations (some locales even requiring annual vaccinations). Rabies vaccines are not so great for dogs (in case GT members didn't know), so the goal of this study would be to change current laws.

    Does anyone think that big-pharma would fund this study? How about the vet establishment? How about commercial kibble companies? They're all in bed together. Oh, by the way, they need $1.5 million to do the study, and that is with a bunch of services donated. Here's a link to the effort...


    Will you find the scientific studies you seek? Most likely not, for the reasons mentioned above. If you do, it will be well buried in some doctoral thesis or obscure trade magazine. The establishment won't fund it, and the small, premium pet food companies are not rich enough nor well organized enough to fund such a study. The best information we have at our disposal is common sense, and some revealing informal studies, articles, and books.

    Your dog does not have the luxury to tell you what he likes eating. He is a captive prisoner regarding what he eats. Perhaps the crux of the difference is some dog owners start with the quality ladder, and others start with the price ladder.

    In the end, and as I mentioned earlier, TEHO. :wavey:

  48. If there was really a study that could prove premium dog foods were healthier, and it only cost a million bucks to run, then I am sure it would have been done. The company could just print the claim on big letters on the bags of food. No real need for extra advertising. I'm sure word of mouth and newspaper articles would spread the news quickly.

    There are just too many companies that distribute truck loads of product all over the country for me to believe that not one of them (or perhaps a consortium of a few) can get a hold of the money to do the research. In order to achieve that kind of scale, you simply can't be that small.

    I think the real reason such a study hasn't been done is because no one B]knows[/B] that the study will show the results they want, or is even very confident. If the study proved their food was better, they would be swarmed with more business than they could handle. However, if the study didn't show any meaningful results the premium food companies would all be ruined. If they were even fairly sure what the outcome would be, the course of action is a no-brainer.
  49. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I can only lead so many horses to water.
  50. +1

    Edited to add:
    The suggestion that rabies shots cause issues in some dogs is true. There was an article I read last year that was published in a breeder journal someone here at work had. Interestingly enough, the breed most commonly associated with having issues with this vaccine was the same breed I own--dachshund.