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Initial range report on IWI Masada ORP

  1. A local shop had the Masada ORP in yesterday and after playing with it at the shop, I decided to buy that gun today. There was another shop which had one but I like this shop better. The guy listed it for $468 ($480 MSRP) and after some halfhearted dickering, I paid $500 OTD. I could probably have knocked the dude down another $20, but it really doesn't save me squat. Plus the dude gave me some discounts on .38 Super ball ammo before, so all is good in my balancing sheet.

    For those who MUST know the particulars, here's the link to IWI US. https://iwi.us/product/m9orp17/

    Also, plenty of YouTube videos on the Masada already available. This range report is of my own opinions, and I'm NOT what you'd call an expert.

    This is the first plastic striker fired service pistol I've bought since probably 2015. There were the Kahr CW9, the two Glock 43 and a Glock 26 but they are subcompacts. The last plastic service pistol that I bought was the CZ Phantom, but it was DASA and not striker fired. The APX, the various new XDs and Glocks, the CZ P10, the Canikses, the Archon B, etc., just didn't get my juice running, so what's so special about this Masada?

    I must admit that I do have a rather significant affinity towards IWI smallarms, but I didn't go with the Jericho because it's a CZ75 knockoff. The Galil ACEs are AK knockoffs yet I bought a slew of them, so what gives? I just simply don't like the Jericho despite the cool name. Who knows, I might just buy one yet for the cool name. Anyway, the Masada just grabbed my attention in a certain way. Being an IWI product certainly helps. The cool name certainly helps (defiance in the face of overwhelming odds, death before dishonor), and let's be realistic here - the low price was what sold me. Say what you will about IWI, but they don't use customers for beta testing.

    Amazingly enough I bought this gun from a shop that didn't have hot sales chicks - highly unusual. Enough bantering, let's get into the meat of it.

    Aesthetics:

    1. Nice cardboard box. Seriously, the thing looks like a million bucks. Nice fonts, nice graphics, avant garde looking. The description said "no safety assy". Does this mean there's a safety lever model on the horizon?

    2. Industrial looking design that's more or less par for the course. Not quite ugly but nothing dramatic either. I don't know why but the gun looks "blocky" to me. Probably no more or less than a typical plastic phantastic but it does look blocky. I'm too used to Colts and CZs. The Beretta 92 is thick as hell, but the design doesn't lend itself to looking like a Lego block. Anyway, that's the typical design nowadays for service plastic pistols.

    3. The black finish is evenly applied. I don't know what it is but it has the looks and feels of a current production miracle coating type.

    4. Magazines are made in Italy, probably by Mec-Gar. The mag base has ledges on both left and right sides to be used as finger gripping points to rip them out of the gun if jammed.

    5. Machining is rather well executed. No swirl marks that I can see of. Please take note that the interior photos are taken in my hotel room and after the shooting session, hence the lubricant and carbon. The gun came dry as a bone. I had to do a quick lube job at the shooting range's parking lot.

    6. Polygonal rifling with barely a touch of a crown. This is where I wish that IWI would have put more crown on the muzzle.

    7. Captive recoil spring with plastic guide rod. Nothing exotic or new here.

    8. Plastic modular frame that is detachable from the firing mechanism/chassis. The stippling at the front and back straps are more aggressive than the stippling on the sides, but neither are very aggressive. Not as slick as snort but not a cheese grater either. The gun came with the medium backstrap mounted and the large and small ones in the box. Medium fits me well enough that I might not have to employ the small backstrap like I usually do to other pistols.

    9. The mag wall is very thin, and while it doesn't have a flared mag well, it does have a sort of mag guide with the protrusion at the backstrap. Wilson Combat makes a similar mag guide for Beretta 92-series. Since that the magazine base plate has the ledges to aid in jammed mag removal, a flared mag well would have defeat that purpose.

    10. The Masada’s trigger pull is nice. I’d even say that it is ridiculously good for a service pistol. Better than the Steyr (not by much), better than the VP9, better than M&P CORE Pro, Glock 17/26/43, XDM, FNS and possibly better than the PPQ (upon reflection, not quite).

    The dingus/dongle’s safety deactivation doesn’t have any Glock like weird crunchy feel. It’s just a smooth take up. The break is literally glass rod crisp. Reset is just a hair longer than the Glock but very tactile and positive.

    11. Sights are okay service three dots type. Not great, not bad. Gives good sight picture AFTER I blacked out the annoying and distracting white dots. Also, it's too late now to find out but I "think" the white dots are the luminous type (not tritium).

    12. Very low bore axis due to the sharp angle of the grip and how it meets the frame to give the shooter a very high grip.

    13. The ambidextrous mag release buttons will take some use to because the activation movement requires a strange inward and slightly downward application of force. Since that the buttons are on both sides, I thought that I could try to release the mag via my index button ala HK paddle style. Didn't quite work out that way - too awkward of a movement for my index finger to do.

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  2. As always, somehow I kept buying guns at the end of the day and having to rush out to a local range to do some quick blasting. With but an hour left at a local indoors range, I blazed a few rounds through the gun with some basic drills. Nothing fancy.

    Ammo were Winchester 115-grains FMJ in brown boxes that resemble military packaging, ORR Tactical 115-grains FMJ remanufactured, and Super Vel 90-grains +P JHP. I saw the Super Vel ammo and had to try some. The current Super Vel has no relationship with the original and well defunct Super Vel ammo, but the classic yellow box is still cool as hell. For those who are interested in new Super Vel ammo, here's the link to the website. https://www.supervelammunition.com/

    Super Vel website claimed that the 90-grainers is a screamer and still fast as hell out of subcompacts, and they do recommend it to be used in subcompacts. I'll try it out in my P365 to see if it'd reliably work the gun, but that's a story for a different day.

    ORR Tactical is a veteran owned shop that loads ammo and makes/assembles AR15s. The two boxes of 9mm that I got (147-grainers which I already shot) had mixed brass stamps, clearly remanufactured ammo. However they all went bang and with decent accuracy so I'm not complaining much. They do cost a couple of bucks more than Winchester/Federal though. Take it for what it is. http://www.orrtactical.com/about-us

    No malfunctions of any sort, but really, with only 150-rounds spent I expected no issues. Nonetheless, the Super Vel 90-grainers has short overall length and I feared it might hang up on the feed ramp. Nope, worked like a charm.

    Started out at 7-yards slow fire for familiarization. Interestingly enough, when I was playing with the gun and dry fired it without actually aiming at a target, the break of the trigger pull felt light. However, when you're on target and took up the slack (deactivated the internal safety), the break wasn't as light as I thought. Totally acceptable for a duty pistol/self-defense pistol. The smooth takeup actually threw me off with the first group because I was expecting the crunchiness of the trigger travel/dingus travel/whatchamacallit.

    Second and third groups were still disappointing though the third group showed some promise. At that point, I decided to black out the white dots and damn if it didn't work out like a champ with the 4th group.

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  3. I did the Mozambique drills using Super Vel and ORR Tactical ammo. The Super Vel didn't group that well but I initially attributed it to going a bit fast on the trigger with the 7-yards Mozambique drills.

    Overall, the gun felt good in the hands. Pointed naturally, sights were easy to acquire even when blacked out. ESPECIALLY when blacked out. Felt recoil is minimal thanks to the grip angle that allows for a high grip. My non-shooting thumb sits against the disassembly lever but it felt fine. Minimal muzzle rise as well. The gun felt good and natural in my hands. It's not sweet like when I grab for my Colt 1911 or CZ75B, but still felt good.

    Reset is definitely longer than Glock, but it's so tactile and positive that I can see a person would be able to Jerry Miculek this mutha. I need to clarify that the Masada's trigger reset may be slightly longer than a Glock and detectable with a sensitive index finger, but we are talking about the difference so minimal that it's negligible. To put it another way, it's an academic difference.

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  4. Moving the target out to 10-yards and did the same drills: slow fire and Mozambique.

    The groups were leaning towards the left and at first I was nonplussed, but then I started to look at the way I held the gun and it occurred to me that the gun was canted to the left.

    I'm currently suffering from the Frozen Shoulder issue with the left shoulder and supposed to start physical therapy soon. As of current, if I don't pay attention with how I hold the gun, my right arm/hand overwhelms the left side.

    Also, the Super Vel 90-grainer's group is huge compared to the ORR remanufactured FMJ.

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  5. Might be able to dig it, we'll see.
     
  6. It's just about time for the range to close down, so I did some flash sight picture drills at 25-yards and one-armed drills at 7-yards.

    At 25-yards I shot a group with each of the three ammo starting with the Winchester and end with the ORR. I truly think that the gun didn't like Super Vel 90-grainer. It'd function without a hiccup but the groupings are kind of blah. I supposed at short distances, it's good enough for government work. Anyway, I'll try out some other JHP loads soon enough.

    For the 7-yards strong arm/weak arm drills, I mixed and matched all three ammo into the magazines and simply blazed through the drills to see how the gun points and handles while shooting one-handed, plus possibility of limp wristing and how the gun would cycle with mixed ammo loads.

    So far so good. Am I overwhelmed by this gun? Nope. Am I impressed with it as far as a service handgun goes? A resounding YES. Would I buy a second one? Nah, it's not that cool. Time to hoard up on mags for the Masada though.. As far as plastic blasters go, I still prefer my CZ Phantom. Hey, I'm a hammer fire kind of a guy.

    Is it a "Glock Killer"? For me it is. I have zero compunction to buy a G17/G19, but I bought this gun and currently have no regrets. I'll pump a few hundred more rounds through it to see if any parts might fall off, or choke on a certain types of hollowpoints.

    The best part yet: it's black!!!

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  7. Good write-up. I was hoping to see some folks report on these.
     
  8. Striking resemblance to the Ruger American.

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  9. I keep saying that. There’s no way the likeness is coincidence. It’s just too close.
     
  10. How many ways can you make a striker fired, tilting barrel plastic pistol?
     
  11. Good report. Did you buy it from the shop with the hot chick?
     
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    The barrels aren’t identical, so who knows.
     
  13. Yeah, but it’s also the styling - angles, dimensions, etc.
     
  14. The mag spring isn’t for the weak of fingers. P365 mag spring don’t have nuthin’ on the Masada.


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  15. Thanks for the Range Report! Much appreciated, I am waiting for a shop close by to get one in so I can go Coon Finger the hell outta it.
     
  16. TLDR:crazy:
     
  17. Nope.
     
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  19. Handled one of those. I liked the ergos but you could rest a bowling ball on that trigger shelf.
     
  20. Nice write up. If I hadn't just become infatuated with the APX I might have taken a shot at one of these.
     
  21. Thanks for the write up.
     
  22. Great write up. Appreciate the work. You mentioned the CZ Phantom and I still kick myself for not picking one of those up years ago. Thanks again !!


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  23. Congrats! Awesome write up.

    The Steoger is very inexpensive and feels a bit cheap IMO.
     
  24. Thanks for the write up. Liked reading your personal hand written shooting notes. Very cool. I might end up with one of these.
     
  25. CZ USA brought it back.
     
  26. I picked up a copy last Thursday, and took it out Saturday. If I were to produce a comprehensive write-up, I think I would have hit on all of the same points seen here. I too found it to be a very enjoyable shooter, and also found, for a stock striker (sans a couple of notable exceptions at FAR higher price points) that the trigger feel and smoothness really make this a leader in the overwhelmingly diverse market segment it has been released into.

    I really think that comparing it to its contemporaries based just on features alone this pistol may seem relatively unremarkable in many ways - it seems to be taking lessons learned from several platforms and combining them (a little bit of Sig with the chassis design, a little bit of Walther for the trigger, some FN/CZ hybrid small parts design for the striker). Any way about it, its a fine shooter and has great features - I found inserting mags to be challenging at first...but a little practice resolved that shooter issue.

    Where this pistol clearly stands apart is value. At the $480 MSRP (I paid $455 OTD) there isn't much out there that presents as many features that are actually functional and well-executed. I have not played with the optics cut/plates yet, but it is a good design and is representative of others that are popular. Slide cuts fore and aft are nice and grippy, interchangeable backstraps are well executed, and the trigger guard undercut allows one to really get up under what otherwise would be a higher bore-axis than a Glock (design-wise its more like a Sig, but I have found without frame mods I can't get as far up on a P320 as the Masada).

    So perhaps if one has lots of other plastic-fantastics this may seem like a pass...but for folks new to pistols or strikers, this presents a great way to minimize risks and have a solid learning platform in duty-size. I for one will be keeping mine. I love my Tavor SAR - they will pair nicely together!
     
  27. Gun good. You buy.
     


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  29. Good report fn.


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  31. They are good pistols, in my opinion based on initial thoughts.
     
  32. I have an original :dancing:
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    Had to tacticalize mine a bit with the addition of the Deltapoint Pro and TLR-1.
     
  34. The external styling is very similar. The guts are quite different.
     
  35. Zeroed in the Deltapoint Pro today. Note to self: do not use targets with red bullseyes to zero your red dot with. One would think i’d Learned by now. Also the left frozen Shoulder wasn’t helpful at all. If anything it’s a detriment for not being able to apply enough pressure to hold the gun steady.

    It’s been too long since I played with my two other red dot equipped pistols. I think I’ll dedicate more time with this one.

    FYI, Night Fision makes a set of SIG sights that will fit the Masada. It uses No. 6 front, No. 8 rear and be sure to select silencer height for Co-witness. Or if Co-witness is not wanted then just leave the stock sights as is. I’ll buy a set of sights next.

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    Second outing with the Masada after the Deltapoint Pro’s initial zero outing. Ammo this time was 100-rounds of Fiocchi 115-grains FMJ.

    I wanted to make sure that the gun would work with generic 115-grains load while having both the red dot and tactical light mounted onto it. I especially wanted to see if the gun would function with all these installed doodads while shooting one handed in either string or weak side.

    The gun still has the medium backstrap on from the factory and while I might like the small insert better, I am hesitant to change the medium size out because right now the point ability is spot on for both two-hands and strong hand shootings.

    Weak side shooting sucks badly. I’ve shot the Masada weak armed before and it was fine. However with red dot mounted, weak arm shooting was terrible. I couldn’t find the dot most of the time. My bum left shoulder doesn’t help either. The gun was shaking like a leaf in my left hand.
     
  37. The longer trigger reset is more noticeable now that I’m getting used to the gun. As is, it won’t be competitive in a gun game. Non-issue for combat/self-defense.

    Double taps were controllable but more than that, muzzle flip really comes into play. I’m sure that my bum left shoulder doesn’t help but I do have the TLR-1 mounted and that’s extra weight up front. Nonetheless much more than three rounds burst and bullets start spraying. Is that an issue? Not to me. I don’t plan on blazing away/mag dumping even at close range self defense shooting.

    In conclusion it’s not a superior service pistol but plenty good enough, especially for the price. Also, red dot is awesome.

    I had an RMR and an old Deltapoint mounted in my FNX45 Tactical and SW M&P CORE Pro a few years back but I never really played with them. It was as more for grins and giggles. I’m going to shoot the Masada ORP more and truly immerse myself with pistol red dot shooting.



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  38. Are the sights made of metal or plastic ?
     
  39. This is an itch I've been scratching

    Have you tried other magazines in this yet to see if work?
     
  40. This is an itch I've been scratching

    Have you tried other magazines in this yet to see if work?
     
  41. The sights are made out of steel.
     
  42. As far as I know, there's only one magazine that fits and works in this gun.
     
  43. I pumped another 200-rounds of Remington 115-grains ball ammo through the red dot mounted Masada. It cycled the gun fine with both red dot and tactical light mounted. I'd like to find a couple of subsonic loads and a lightweight bullet load to try out and see if the gun still cycles reliably as currently configured.

    The indoors range had a 50-yard line, so I ran the target all the way out to see what happens. That red dot sure makes shooting a lot easier.

    I also let two other people tried out the gun. The guy is a fairly experienced shooter and the gal is a novice who barely got into the whole shooting scene because she wanted to have something for self-defense. She was practicing on her SR22 and it broke - story for a different thread. Just as I thought, they both struggled with finding the red dot. I need to mount a set of silencer height iron sights on this pistol both for backup purposes and for using the front sight as a reference to find a red dot if I were to have people unfamiliar with shooting red dots on handguns playing with this pistol.

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  44. Give some a try, using dummy rounds. The Israelis are usually pretty "big picture" about that stuff. The Galili for example used M14 magazines. I would bet the Masada does not use a proprietary mag, or if does, it's just the follower that's unique. Nothing they would publicize, so you could be Christopher Columbus discovery man on this topic
     
  45. Consider that the IWI US website specifically said that mags for Jericho pistols are only for Jerichos and mags for Masada are only for Masada, I don't know what I am supposed to try. Do I just randomly buy mags from different manufacturers and try them out in the Masada?
     
  46. Liability thing. I doubt IWI paid for unique tooling and production of those mag bodies from Italy mec gar. Again, maybe follower unique. But to answer your Q just try some mags from guns you own, Glock, CZ especially any other mec gars
     
  47. I can see the merit in this. I found out absolutely by chance the Sphinx SDP magazines work perfectly in the Archon Type B, including going to slide lock. You never know.
     
  48. That's pretty cool.

    Usually one can make an educated guess via the type of pistols (i.e. CZ-75 type/CZ-75 clone type), but the Archon B isn't even close to a CZ-75.

    BTW, CZ-75B mags will fit in the Sphinx SDP Compact and Subcompact, albeit they stick out the bottom.
     
  49. True. I'll have to look and see which factory mag/CZ mag have similar bodies then give it a whirl.
     
  50. I had read that. Oddly the Cz 75 mag I have does not work in the Archon, only the SDP mags do.