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Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by narkcop128, May 26, 2020.
Only if shot from crossbows.
I'm wondering how many here have jumped off a horse at full gallop? If you shoot the horse and it tumbles, it will stun the rider temporarily, I'd think. But if it was a rider at very short distance, shoot the rider. I have no experience in these situations on a personal level. I have however been thrown from a horse.
Actually they could, if properly trained.
Look up 'The Last Cavalry Charge,' which refers to a horse-mounted charge by a company of of U.S. soldiers on a suspected hideout camp of Poncho Villa's during the 1916 Mexican Punitive Expedition.
Our guys killed just about everyone there, whether they were on foot or horseback, while suffering no fatalities of their own.
And during the charge and fighting they were armed with Colt 1911s, like this 1915 model ... which could well have been there:
I have fallen off a Horse at full gallop when the cinch broke. I did not roll to my feet ready to shoot or fight. I laid there for a good 20 minutes trying to figure out if I was alive or dead.
Research the history of the Walker revolver for your answer.
A real cowboy would've pistol-whipped that damn horse 'till it dropped over, and then, after it regained consciousness and stood up, ... why said cowboy would've gotten right back in the saddle and galloped away into the sunset.
Old School. Hard core.
Hence the phrase: 'Cowboy the F- Up.'
The horse was a major reason for the development of the Walker pistol. Sam Walker had been pinned to the ground by a Comanche lance during one battle. It was while he was recuperating with relatives that he met Sam Colt. One of the requirements was that the pistol have enough force to kill an Indian horse. Before that, the Rangers largely used .36 Pattersons.
Actually, the buffalo hunters likely played a major role==more than the cowboys and maybe even the cavalry.
"Sharps=the rifle that made the West safe for Winchester".
Even better, read this:
Ever in Waco, visit the Texas Rangers Museum, first class.
Lot’sa great history of the Native Peoples of North America and superb displays.
Some Nations were “Way More” advanced than most common folks know or is portrayed in media and books.
The Bill Cody Museum pays great tribute to these First Nations Peoples.
Well worth the trip to visit.
Excellent artist renditions of Native Americans abound in the building along with many other fine paintings of our migration west.
Photos don’t do justice.....just a quick couple pictures...
Apologies if I put a curve in your thread....
Sorry....just a few more.... ;’)
This, horses were highly valued back then. A much sought after commodity as I understand it.
Plus horses are just plain cool, even now.
this is an excellent museum, in Lawton,OK
also, the Fort Sill Historical Museum on base is fantastic, Geronimo,Apache, and others from his family and Tribe are buried there on base as well.
Empire of the Summer moon is an excellent book, but if you really want to get into the history of the Comanche Nation, the book The Comanche Empire by Pekka Hamalainen(he is Finnish, go figure) goes into amazing detail about the origins and history of the Comanches. They were uniquely located in the perfect spot in the Southwest to steal horses from Mexico and trade them to tribes further north of them. Among the world's great horse breeders, they were great traders and about the baddest Indian warriors ever seen on this continent. Any tribe that scared the Apaches into forming an alliance with Spain, conquered more territory than any other Indian tribe in North America, and were able to form a trade agreement with New Mexico at incredible terms, just to get them to stop raiding New Mexico shows the power they held in the Southwest for well over a century and a half. It took smallpox, the annihilation of the buffalo herds, repeating firearms and the US Cavalry to beat them, and it still took about 50 years to do so.
Went there last year. We loved it!!
PS: We ran into gun Jesus while we were there. Shook his hand.
Not to mention Mexico’s inability to pacify the Comanche and settle Texas - which forced them to open Texas up to Americans in the hope of getting enough warm bodies to stave off Indian raids. Then came Santa Anna ...
Little Big Horn was against the Sioux IIRC.
And it wasn't a small unit action.
It was command arrogance in splitting up the US Army forces in the face of an unknown much larger indigenous force, armed with superior weapons for short range attack. This allowed the 7th Cavalry to be chopped up piecemeal.
Mostly Sioux and Cheyenne.
Yes, splitting up the full command into three units, only two of which actually engaged most of the Indians initially (Reno's charge & Custer down-river attack), with virtually zero recon of enemy force strength before those commands engaged, was doomed to fail.
Lots of scalping and gutting on Last Stand Hill there at the end.