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imprint of firearm being carried considered displayed and exposed to public view?

Discussion in 'Band of Glockers' started by boni, Jun 22, 2007.

  1. boni

    boni ako ito bok!

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    mga sir, tanong ako ulit hehe. kasi nag susurf ako and i read and tried to analyz mga sir ung sinabi na sa phils, guns can be carried if my ptcfor but limited to concealed carry. tapos ive read sa ibang country esp u.s. eh imprint lng daw considered na displaying your f/a. sagot naman ng mga nakakatanda ito eh "so what kung naka imprint? eh naka conceal naman d ba?" hehe btw ty in advance. :)
     
  2. saki1611

    saki1611 BOG's #1611

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    pre just my two cents...

    from the word conceal itself it means to prevent something or someone from being known or to keep it secret. so if it's imprinted on the shirt when tucked in the waist, it's not concealing anymore. actually even in our local ptc, one of the provisions is to place the gun in a (clutch) bag and not on the waist whether with iwb or owb holsters. even with cops actually we're being discouraged to do such practice unless on operations or in uniform.
     

  3. ilocano

    ilocano Down Under.

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    I once read that "concealed" would mean " not seen in plain view". Imprint on the otherhand can be tricky- - does this fall under "not seen in plain view"???
     
  4. PMMA97

    PMMA97 TagaBundok

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    I did not know this.
    I think it would be very hard to draw.
    Are clutchbag draws included in IPSC/IDPA?

    Found this on the net;

    The permit is non-transferable. The firearm will also not be displayed or exposed to public view.The firearm shall not be carried inside drinking places,cabarets,public dance halls, public amusement places, or while attending civic, political or religious rallies and meetings.The license or authority to possess the firearm shall always be carried with this permit. Violation of any of the above shall invalidate the PTCFOR and the licensee may be charged.

    Ano yung cabaret? :supergrin:
     
  5. jimbullet

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    I believe there are no matches available that draws from a clutch bag but there are scenarios that draw from your gun case. So I guess, this should be a good alternative already.

    There is a fine line whether it may be classified as no longer concealed if your FA is imprinted. I would suggest however that you do your best not to make itself known since this will open you for possible questioning by LEO's and secondly, this will also make the BG's know that you have a gun and be prepared for it.
     
  6. vega

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    The problem with some people, they really want to let others know that they are carrying.
     
  7. TTPower

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    one time i was in a grill restaurant i saw 2 guys in a table i'm not sure if they were cops or security escorts but i could tell that they were carrying. it was so obvious because the 1st guy i think was using a duty holster not a concealed holster and even if his shirt was a bit loose u could tell. the other guy was even more obvious because his shirt was a bit small for him i could even tell his was carrying a full size 1911.

    if i was a bad guy... they wouldn't stand a chance! i bet they won't even see me coming.
     
  8. chowchow

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    Kung undercover agents man yun hindi na. If they are not plainclothes which is obvious, then pangpasikat na lang yun sa kapwa.
    Kung meyrong NPA hitman around, baka matarget pa sila.:laughabove:
     
  9. isuzu

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    Please correct me if I'm wrong. Are there places in the US that does not want people to conceal weapons (if you don't have a CCW); instead they want people to expose the weapons in plain view i.e., ranchers who have gun racks in their trucks and ATVs, and holster their revolvers/pistols.
     
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    i think in arizona u can carry firearms even without a permit as long as its not concealed. if u want to carry ur firearm concealed, u have to secure a CCW permit. that's how gun friendly arizona is :)
     
  11. kcboy

    kcboy CHEEPUCK.COM

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    is carring IWB, really not allowed for our PTCFOR?
     
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    Di pa talaga pwede? Back when PTC was affordable, I used to carry IWB.

    BTW, 10K nga ba ang PTC ngayon?
     
  13. chowchow

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    CHL dito dapat hindi makikita. Pero kung may printing puede karin mareport, and ma introuble ka pa like fines and license suspended.
    Open carry ok kung nasa sariling lugar mo but still practice discretion. If you have a larger acreage of land, kahit mag ATV ka at naka slung ng AK or AR mo walang problema. But no firing of weapons unless u have a minimum of 10 acres (2.47 acres per one hectare). A good backstop is a must bec bullets can go a long way. Liability is a big factor if you have to hit someone then negligent homicide will end it all.
     
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    Frankly, I havent seen that in the restrictions on the PTC...unless its in the law...
     
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    saki1611 BOG's #1611

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    Agree! some people (mostly untrained) have this "bragging rights syndrome" once they got their PTCs..:supergrin:
     
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    PMMA97 TagaBundok

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    But if you were a BG intending to pounce on someone on a spur of a moment kind of criminality ie; hold up or trip trip lang, who would you target?

    A known would be victim who is obviously packing or a soft target whom you know does not have any weapon on him?

    Just asking guys. :)
     
  18. jimbullet

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    There are a lot of variables and the what if's come to play. What if the BG was really intending to hit on you may the BG be high on drugs, it doesnt matter whether you are packing a pistol or not for him, but rather he comes to you prepared based on his assessment on how much defense you can do.

    If the BG knows you have a gun, then even armed with a knife, he can make his attack based on how he assesses you. Hold ups are the same, they would have the element of surprise. Why not counter this by surprising them as well.

    Of course there are ways that you can project that you are not a soft target at all even if you do not instigate that you have an FA.
     
  19. vega

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    I believe IWB is allowed unless it's printing.
    Not allowed if:
    4) The practice of flagrantly displaying a firearm or tucking it at the waist while in uniform or in civilian clothes is prohibited.
    The word "flagrantly" says it all.

    Tuck away then.
     
  20. PMMA97

    PMMA97 TagaBundok

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    Reminds me of an old Marine joke;

    If you are not shooting, you should be communicating your intention to shoot.

    The question is, how? :supergrin: