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Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by circa02, Nov 15, 2011.
which of these would you choose; .357 magnum, or .45 acp?
Only because I own 2 weapons in .45. Mc Operator and a Mac 10.
.45.. cause it comes in an auto and typically holds more of them.
Sorry, I phrased the question badly. What I meant was, which caliber is better using only FMJ?
Although I use the XTP TAP in 230gr, and the WW PDX1 in 230gr, I am known around here for using more FMJFP in 230gr than anything else. That is in a 45acp. I would not carry a faster smaller round like 9mm (357mag), or 40 S&W, with a FMJ.
Known to the younger Jet set these days, (ha) as the slow and ancient lumbering caliber, the 45acp in a FMJ will not over penetrate near what a 9mm/357/40cal will. I do suggest the FMJFP (flat point). If your going to carry 'em for SD against 2 legs or 4. It at least has a flat meplet to a small degree and is better suited than the standard FMJ, as hard as that was for me to say, cause I have carried the standard FMJ for ever it seems in the 45acp. I switched over to the FP and should have years ago. I am an old dog that has a hard time with new tricks. But I get there eventually. (some times, rarely, hardly at all... Ha)
.45 all the way. Lots of kinetic energy, and a bigger hole.
Kind of a pointless question. All depends on what you want to use them for.
Here is another question "old dog": Do the FPs feed as reliably as standard ball ammo? Some say it feeds more like JHPs. I don't know the answer, but I'd like to since I've been buying FPs for a couple of years in .380, .40 and .45. Thanks.
I would choose the .45, hands down! If it was good for the WW2 vets then it's good enough for me!
Well! I've had my morning half-pot of coffee! I've taken some time to do a bit of devotional reading. And... I'm all ready to answer this question... maybe. And... in response, I differ. I don't want no slow big fat heavy lumbering wad of lead moving along at barely the speed of sound. . What I want is something that is not so dated. What I want is something that is more suited to modernity. What I want is Weatherby style speed ... something faster than mere speeding bullets, something that makes "noise," lots of "noise!" What I want is something that will punch through car doors, windshields, refrigerators, the walls of apartments and houses and even multiple gallon milk jugs filled with water! So... give me a Coonan 1911 in .357 Magnum! That thing will carry lots of rounds... just in case I don't get a center hit with the first shot... or need to engage multiple hostiles. .
"old dog" eh ! Yeh, I guess so ! Ha.
Well, i can only speak for 'my guns." Yes, the 45acp FMJFP's feed fine through the G30, G36, G21, and my 1911's as well. The meplet is not as huge as you would find on a Hard Cast bullet, and obviously the copper jacket slides up the ramp with less friction than does exposed lead, (not that HC doesn't feed, because they do) and I just haven't had a problem in 'my' guns with them, or I would fix the gun or get rid of it...
What ever I shoot gun and ammo, have got to be 100% in function or I don't carry/use, until it will.
Some folks may not agree, but I do highly polish the feed ramp on every semi I own, and I can honestly say I just have not had issues with feeding any JHP or FMJ. I know that is not the 'cure all fix all, or magic,' but it sure has made a difference in a gun or two I've had that did have some nose dives into the ramp. They don't any more.
If you do not hand load, you'll just have to find some factory stuff out there and give it a try in your particular gun/s. I'm not sure who sells the FMJFP's in a factory 45acp loading. Someone smarter than I can perhaps answer that for ya.
As I said before, I carried the FMJ 230gr in 45acp, forever and a day, and all I can say is I have no problem with them, and they are more potent than folks give them credit for, and I am / have been satisfied. RN or FP. But the FP is the better of the two, IMO.
Don't know that I've helped ya, but there ya go amigo..
What is it your trying to say amigo ? Could you be more specific man ?
You need "less coffee bro..."
Stay safe bud.
45 hands down. A FMJ is making a smaller than caliber hole all the way thru, regardless of hnadgun vel. I would want the biggest hole I could make. A FP helps crush more tissue than a RN. Vel alone is not an efective wounder/killer, especially when talking handgun. I fail to see what "dated" has to do with anything. The only thing wrong w/ the 45acp over the years was low round count. Now w/ Glocks & XDs, you can have 13-14rds of 45acp. If I were stuck w/ FMJ, dia always wins over vel.
In general there is no answer to your question that can be supported. If you setup one instance, then you can experimentally determine the relative merits of each solution. 380, 9, and 357 is about the same diameter and have some overlap I bullet weight. So, that comparison the there will be a small speed range that will provide just enough penetration and not damage something on the other side of the target. Bullet shape may also affect accuracy and target damage. Other factors like wind and distance will also be factors.
So, there will always be some that like each of the choices. 5.7 would also be somewhere in the mix. 9mm is the most popular choice, next is probably a even split between 40 and 45.
It the choice was between .357 And 45, I would go with the 357 for the higher round count.
Being the OP said .357 magnum, not .357 Sig, where are you getting a higher round count? In .45 ACP: GLOCK, XD = 13+1, Para 14+1, FN 15+1
Sorry, I made the assumption the reference was really the 357 Sig as used Glock pistols.
45 acp will still give you adequate performance in fmj , i would think 357 travels way too fast to do anything but punch holes
I carry magtech 230 gr fmj in my gun that I use at work
Dalton, do you work security?-To anyone; these FP's, who makes these commercially?
That makes no sense at all.