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Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by certifiedfunds, Jul 1, 2012.
I assume you want to end Medicare and Social Security too?
How are they any different?
Yes I do.
I'd curtail it quite a bit. There is no reason a working person should have less coverage than medicaid. Medical treatment is a commodity, not a right. Yes that means that if you don't plan ahead, you might die sooner than you will otherwise. No one lives forever.
In a perfect world Medicare and Social Security would not exist,
because government has no business in a person's healthcare or their retirement.
But we don't live in a perfect world and thanks to the US government we probably never will.
We are too deep into Medicare and Social Security to just end them cold turkey.
Millions of people would suffer and a lot would die without the support these two programs provide.
The solution is to start weaning the American people off the government teat gradually, by slowly over time getting rid of Medicare and Social Security.
It took us years to get into this mess and it may take that long to get us out, but it can be done.
Anyone who recommends the immediate elimination of these two programs is either just cruel and heartless or doesn't fully understand the magnitude of the problem.
But the reason they existed to begin with is because your way didn't work.
You have no idea what "my way" is.
What do you mean?
Wow! You agree with Ron Paul.
These programs didn't always exist. What did we do before them? That is what we need to do again. If health care was a right then my medical provider collegues and I, would be compelled to provide medical care without compensation. No one in their right mind would think this is right. It kills any incentive to learn how to take care of people and then we would have a REAL shortage of medical providers.
OBAMA is the difference.
Yea, but I have a better chance of being elected president.
Philosophically, I'd tend to be against these.
That said©, old age presents some unique problems. When you're old, you're basically uninsurable because its almost guaranteed you're gonna get sick at some point.
As for SS, it wouldn't be nearly so vexing a problem if it was ordered correctly. A massive calculation error dating to the Johnson administration has payouts massively disproportional to contributions. Also dating to the Johnson administration, abuse that leaves it raped and pillaged in order to balance the budget makes it nothing more than a slush fund for govt spending. If this didnt' exist people would probably would have a much better view of it.
The difference between these two and o care is that attacks everyone BREATHING. No sector, no special problem to be solved, just everyone. Too blanket, too redistributive. MEdicare and SS in theory are deduted from you and have a specific payout to come back. Certainly for the first half of your life you may never get sick or have medical demands out side what insurance you might normally have. Its invasive, all intrusive, has the jackboots riding shotgun over it, and is total, complete socialized medicine who's ultimate goal is complete government healthcare. Its about control and nothing more.
I used to listen to too much talk radio and I was against obabmcare, then I met someone who really needs it and doesn't have any other options. Preexisting conditions make her uninsurable and medication costs are insane.
She's been thrilled that it was upheld and I'm happy for her that she won't have to choose between feeding herself and paying for 6 different meds that make her perfectly fine and healthy as long as she has them. And I know there are a lot of people out there that are worse off than her.
That's more important to me than anyone having to pay a tax or whatever else the haters want to about. They can all go piss up a rope.
Yes I do. I think I can do a much better job with the money I put into it then the fed can.
Problem is medicare/medicaid are pretty messed up before this. Medicaid will pay for umlimited 911 trips to ED, but only a very limited number to primary care provider. At least 1/2 the calls I run are as a medicaid taxi to the ED for a cold or other minor problem. I believe it pitiful that people in our country have to choose between food and medications. But until the existing problems are fixed, no system will work, because the same people who administer what we have now will be in charge of what we are gonna get
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Ending these programs is great ... if you pay back the money we all put in. I am all for it! When do I get my check?
You didn't "put in". You were taxed. Same as obamacare.
Term health indemnity policies solve the age issue and allows insurers to price in the risk.
Otherwise someone else must subsidize care. You either pay for it or someone else does.
That's very generous of you....
So how much have you given her?
To be honest people died long before they were too sick to work. A century ago life expectancy was 45, now add 30 years.
CavDoc has gone over how he can save people if he finds out they have cancer early enough. How many more years is he adding to their lives? What about people such a Dick Cheney? How much longer has he gotten due to medical advances?
Quite frankly to eliminate SS and MC immediately we have to accept people will die who otherwise wouldnt . Now this would probably have consequences beyond health. What happens to the economy when people start dying at 45 vs. 75?
First on the list of things to do is kill Obamacare, then move on the others. Unwind them in a sensible way. Throwing a temper tantrum is not going to make things better, in fact it lessens the odds of the people going for it.
Remember everybody wants their slice of the government cheese. You will have to show them a different way in order for them to stop lining up for it.