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If H&Ks were the same price as Glocks
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I would stay with Gaston.
Ever try to detail strip a USP? Or get spare parts from HK for a larger agency's needs? Then there're the ergonomics, which I think are better on a Glock, especially the consistency of trigger pull.
Price is a leading consideration, but if it weren't there then there are still plenty of other things tilting Glock's way.
Ever try to detail strip a USP? Or get spare parts from HK for a larger agency's needs? Then there're the ergonomics, which I think are better on a Glock, especially the consistency of trigger pull.
Price is a leading consideration, but if it weren't there then there are still plenty of other things tilting Glock's way.
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There is where I have to disagree with you. The biggest complaint about the Glock is it's horrible grip and the trigger is either a love or hate thing. H&Ks LEM trigger will give you a consistant trigger pull like the Glock.
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Yeah, like the persistent Gen 4 problems and the creeping M&P market share.
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IMHO H&K's are ok, but I would take a Glock.
The newer one might be better, but how many design changes can H&K make. Glocks have stayed about the same vs every few year H&K brings out a new model, and holsters and magazine do not interchange.
Gaston like Browning got it right, and it has been tweeked over the years, but not changed persay like H&K, who I feel are still trying to get it right.
The newer one might be better, but how many design changes can H&K make. Glocks have stayed about the same vs every few year H&K brings out a new model, and holsters and magazine do not interchange.
Gaston like Browning got it right, and it has been tweeked over the years, but not changed persay like H&K, who I feel are still trying to get it right.
Nope, I think it would be just one less thing that the HK crowd would claim makes their product superior. I really think that in the hands of 90%+ of shooters that the difference in performance between modern firearms of reputable manufacture is down to shooter comfort and preference. There are some folks out there that can test the mechanical accuracy of their weapon and those folks may or may not see a difference, but for the vast majority it's moot.
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If Glocks were the price of HKs, then I would still say Glock.
The Glock grip angle is the only thing that bugs me about the weapon. However, my qualification scores tell me that that is a small detail that I can live with. :supergrin:
The Glock grip angle is the only thing that bugs me about the weapon. However, my qualification scores tell me that that is a small detail that I can live with. :supergrin:
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For the win. :supergrin:
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I have told the story here before, so I think most of us know that my agency had a beloved member die with a broken H&K P7M8 in his hands. There were a lot of things that went wrong for Tpr. Gonzalez that day, and the broken gun was just one of many. The H&K (at least the P7M8) is plagued with the problem of many small, moving parts that do not last over the years. The pistols were in dire need of being refurbished. If Trooper Gonzalez had a Glock 19 in his hand instead of a P7M8, he would have had the means to continue to fight back against his assailant. We don't know, the outcome may have still been the same, but the broken H&K sits on my mind.
That having been said, we had a conversation in the lunch room just the other day amongst some old timers. We all agreed we liked the P7M8, and in many respects we still wish we carried it. But it must be understood that maintenance on a P7M8 is required far more frequently than for a Glock. It also must be understood that due to budget constraints and red tape in law enforcement organizations, this required maintainance does not always get done in a timely manner, if at all.
http://www.odmp.org/officer/14993-trooper-scott-m-gonzalez
That having been said, we had a conversation in the lunch room just the other day amongst some old timers. We all agreed we liked the P7M8, and in many respects we still wish we carried it. But it must be understood that maintenance on a P7M8 is required far more frequently than for a Glock. It also must be understood that due to budget constraints and red tape in law enforcement organizations, this required maintainance does not always get done in a timely manner, if at all.
http://www.odmp.org/officer/14993-trooper-scott-m-gonzalez
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I read the story on the pro provided link, and that is awful to hear of the Troopers demise. Prayers to him and his family.
If you are willing to talk about it, do you recall how the weapon failed? I am just curious.
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Armorers told me that the sleeve that houses the firing pin broke. This makes sense to me because this piece is a thin, metal part.
Edit: Scroll down to page 29. Part #14 (bush). The lower part that houses the upper end of the firing pin is thin metal.
http://www.hk-usa.com/-images/shared/P7_Ops_Manual_Trussville.pdf
Again, this is what I was told by the armorers.
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That is truly awful. What a terrible time for your weapon to go down on you.
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Yes. And his backup revolver was in his pocket. According to (verbal) reports, this was struck by a shotgun blast.
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Yes indeed.
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