Debate If Evolution is True is Christianity False?

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  1. Police Marksman

    Police Marksman

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    Evolution is now a accepted fact in biology , and is taught that way in every major University in the world. Evolution is now confirmed by overwhelming scientific evidence, and to deny this is only deceiving oneself.

    Genetics has even traced homo sapiens (Modern Humans) to the savannas of Africa, and yes at one time all modern humans were of the black race.

    Even the Catholic Church has to admit that evolution is a fact.

    So since evolution is a fact, is Christianity a false belief. I believe yes here is why.
    1. There would be no first man or woman, homo sapiens evolved from other hominids.
    2. There would be no first humans born without sin, just normal animal behavior. There would be no fall into sin.
    3. There would be no need for humans to be forgiven for the fall into sin.
    4. No need for Jesus to come to earth to be a human sacrifice so our sins can be forgiven.

    Christianity falls apart, and of course the Bible is very incorrect.
     
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  2. Gray_Rider

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    The Catholic Church needs abide by but long ago abandoned the holy scriptures and has spend hundreds of years and probably trillions of dollars trying to alter and destroy them. God said His Word would endure forever, and it hasn't been wiped out in several thousands of years of trying.

    If you are amongst those who can accept the billions of complex known life forms that inhabit this earth under the most unimaginable conditions and varieties and say it happened all by chance, that is your choice.

    Just the incredible workings of one cell is mind boggling beyond imagination.

    This does not count the complexities of the earth, the sun, our solar system, our own galaxy, and the billions of other galaxies.

    I have said before and I will say it again.

    Evolution is a fairy tale for adults.

    "Why is the rock one hundred million years old? Because a hundred million year old bone was found in it! Why is the bone one hundred million years old? Because it was found in one hundred million year old rock!"

    Sorry. I will stay with the Genesis six day creation account, and the overwhelmingly proven world wide flood that followed just under 1500 years afterwards. God's Word or Darwin's theory. One is false, and the two cannot be intertwined no matter how much so called "Christian" acceptance and caving is done to the Darwinists.

    For those with the interest, see answersingenesis.org

    "The Age of the Earth and the Decline of the Church" amongst other articles, books, and videos. Ken Ham.

    No. I won't argue my points and belief in creation here. I provide information and where to find it. The rest is up to the readers.

    "We don't hold grudges. We remember the facts."

    Gray_Rider
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  3. powernoodle

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    Sorry, but I can't let this one go by without shining some Truth on it.

    There is ample evidence for micro evolution, i.e., changes within a species. An example of this is virus mutation. We all agree on that because the evidence demonstrates it to be true. That is, it corresponds with reality.

    Not only is there not even no scant evidence, but no evidence whatsoever of macro evolution, i.e., that one "kind" changes into another. An example of this would be evidence of a turnip turning into a dragonfly, or a whale into a hippo. If Darwin were correct in his hypothesis regarding macro evolution, every fossil would be a transitional form. But that is not what the archaeological record reveals. Rather, there are no transitional forms in the fossil record. All major body types sprang into existence contemporaneously during the Cambrian period.

    The most noted (and atheist) paleontologist of our lives, Stephen J. Gould, acknowledged this reality. He said,

    "The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persist as the trade secret of paleontology. The evolutionary trees that adorn our textbooks have data only at the tips and nodes of their branches; the rest is inference, however reasonable, not the evidence of fossils ….We fancy ourselves as the only true students of life's history, yet to preserve our favored account of evolution by natural selection we view our data as so bad that we never see the very process we profess to study." - Stephen J. Gould - "Evolution's Erratic Pace," Natural History, vol. 86 (May 1987), p. 14. (Emphasis added).

    In order to have a cogent argument on the issue, one must first acknowledge the facts.

    Okay - back to lurking. Thanks.
     
  4. Japle

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    Jesus was an observant Jew. He was supposedly the son of the Old Testament God. If the OT doesn’t reflect reality, then Jesus’ divinity (to put it mildly) comes into question.

    It can be shown by objective, verifiable, scientific evidence that, arguably the three biggest stories in the Bible – the Creation, the Flood and the Exodus – didn’t happen.

    The Creation story is told as two different, contradictory stories with different events and different timelines, plus it violates everything we know about cosmology.

    The Flood story is straight out of the tales of Gilgamesh; boat, animals, rain, dove, the whole thing. It's not even original.

    In Exodus, the Bible says that there were 600,000 Jews or 600,000 families, depending on which translation you choose. That many people, hauling their possessions would make up a line that would stretch to China. I mean literally, to China. Do the math. Ancient camel caravan trails are detectable from orbit, but there’s no sign that a huge mob wandered around that area for 40 years. They would have left evidence. Lots of evidence.

    So, the OT is simply a collection of stories and, as Police Marksman says, Christianity falls apart.
     
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    This is the appeal to incredulity fallacy.

    That you can't imagine evolution creating all the creatures on the planet does not change the overwhelming evidence supporting it.

    Ken Ham is a hack. You damage your own credibility by referring to him in a serious manner.
     
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    If you believe in micro evolution, you believe in macro evolution. It's the same thing, continued on for millions of years.

    If you took a picture of yourself every day for your entire life, then looked at any two subsequent pictures, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Very small changes. Yet when you look at your picture on the day of your birth, and compare it to the picture taken on the day of your death, the difference would be enormous. Little changes add up over time.

    Lastly, paleontology is littered with transitional fossils. Every time a new one is found, religious people demand to see the transition between that one and the next. Enough already, they exist.

    Stephen Gould meant that we don't live long enough to see that level of evolution take place, it simply takes too long. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
     
  7. Police Marksman

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    Micro and Macro evolution is the same thing just over different time periods. Micro evolution occurring over 30 thousand years or so turns into Macro evolution over millions of years.

    For instance If you put a dime in a barrel every day (micro evolution) you will have seventy cents in a week. Not a lot of money. But in 500 years you will have $18,250. a lot of money (Macro evolution). Little changes over short time periods will turn into large changes over long time periods.

    If micro evolution is occurring then Macro evolution is occurring also. It is not that hard to understand.
     
  8. Aslan

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    Bravo! Sound science and solid theology! All truth meets at the top!! Thomas Acquinas
     
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    Micro evolution - genetic variations within a given species. Macro evolution has never occurred! No single cell sea dweller ever became a horse (no matter how much time passed). There's not a thread of evidence for it. Darwin's Black Box (and many, many other scholarly works) lay that view to rest!
     
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    Worth the time of a sincere evolutionist! Brilliant!

    Respectfully posted!

     
  11. Police Marksman

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    Ninety Nine percent of Doctorates in Biology and the Natural Sciences would disagree with you. I guess you believe every major University in the world is wrong!

     
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    I asked if evolution is true (including Macro evolution), is Christianity false? I don't believe any Christians have answered this question.
     
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    There are sincere Christians who believe in a position known as theistic evolution. God created through the process of evolution is their view. Therefore, as you ask the question, the answer (according to them) would be no. In other words, if evolution is true, Christianity need not be false.
     
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    Off to bed now. I will happily check in here again as time allows!
     
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    What biological process allows for microevolution, as you identify it, but prevent macroevolution?
    Darwin's Black Box is reliant on irreducible complexity, a concept so utterly disproven that even Behe has largely stopped relying on it in his arguments. Literally every supposed example of such complexity put forth in the book has been shown to be wrong.
     
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    The fact you refuse to defend your claims, even the patently absurd ones such as an "overwhelmingly proven" demonstrates that you realize, subconciously or otherwise, that they are incapable of withstanding any actual scrutiny.
     
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    Every fossil is a transitional form, Archaeology is the study of human cultures, not evolution. There are innumerable transitional forms in the fossil record, since all fossils are transitional fossils. Within the family Hominidae alone there are Sahelanthropus, Orrorin, Ardipithecus, Kenyanthropus, Australopithecus, Homo habilis, Homo ergaster, Homo erectus, and Homo neanderthalensis among others.
     
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    "If Evolution is True is Christianity False?"

    Not necessarily.

    If you are a Christian why couldn't you believe that "Evolution" is a tool of "God".
     
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    The so called transitional links: https://evolutionisntscience.wordpress.com/evolution-frauds/

    For me, the issue is the identity of Jesus:
    https://beyondfaith.wordpress.com/2008/01/09/apologetics-101-lunatic-liar-legend-or-lord/