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"idiot scratches"

Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by 3rdgen40, Jun 13, 2010.

  1. 3rdgen40

    3rdgen40 .45 fanatic

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    Every damn time I look at a used 1911 for sale it has the so called "idiot scratch".WTF is so hard about reinstalling the slide stop without gouging the hell out of the frame ? I had a Mil Spec that I field stripped constantly,just to tinker and clean it.Never as much as a nick.It's quite easy to hold the slide stop against the plunger and gently work it in.There is no need to start at 5:00 o'clock and sweep it up and in.It just seems that there are a lot of nice used 1911's for sale,in like new condition except for the moron mark.
    I'm done ranting now........:faint:
     
  2. Ruggles

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    I would guess most of these types of marks are caused by the slide stop slipping when it is being pushed into the 1911 and it sweeps downward under the force causing the mark. I do not think it it caused as someone sweeps the slide upward into the gun from 5 o'clock. I could be wrong, I have never caused this to happen to one of my 1911....yet :)

    As to why there are so many I would guess some 1911s are somewhat tricky in that area, some are not. I had a Colt New Agent that I had to removed the thumb safety first then install the slide stop to take pressure off of the plunger first. I have had others that it just slips in no problem.
     
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  3. Ebb27

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    So buy a new one.


    .......or don't be quite so anal about a minor blemish that in no way effects function. ;)
     
  4. faawrenchbndr

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    Guess I'm anal as well,.......... idiot scratches are like a super long "key" scratch on a good lookin car! :rant:
     
  5. 3rdgen40

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    I think you misunderstood what I was saying ? :dunno: What I meant was sweeping the slide stop up from below the plunger.:wavey:
     
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    Nothing anal about not wanting a gun that some idiot scratched up because they weren't smart enough to put it back together properly.

    Exactly......:wavey:
     
  7. Ruggles

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    I understand I just can't seem to put into words what I want to say tonight :rofl: Long day I guess.

    What I am trying to express is that I think they happen as the slid stop goes from the slide downward on the frame, not from the frame upwards towards the slide. Maybe I misunderstood you or I could just be flat wrong, like I said long day. :embarassed:

    Either way they are unsightly but I can live with them. I have a used Champion with one (mark that is) that came free with purchase and it really does not bother me. But then again I like character wear so much I had my Kobra Carry built without the Gen III finish cause I wanted the blue to wear some. Kinda weird that way I guess. :wavey:

    I would suggest laying off the "idiot" insults as a number of folks might take offense to being called that just because their hands slipped once. It has nothing to do with intelligence IMO.
     
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  8. 3rdgen40

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    Character wear is cool.Idiot scratches are lame.Kinda like sights that have been bashed into place with a hammer and a punch.
     
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    if your gonna be so picky buy it new
     
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    Forest says, "stupid is as stupid does." If it touches a nerve, do a bit of research.
    Idiot scratch is a completely acceptable term in the 1911 world.


    Here's the best fix to prevent an idiot scratch!

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    I'm guessing that the only people taking offense to this are the people trying to sell used 1911's with idiot scratches on them...:upeyes:
     
  12. gruntmedik

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    Both my Springfields were bought used, and they threw the idiot scratch in for free. They will eventually be refinished, so it doesn't really bother me.
     
  13. Ruggles

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    Nice use of the bold feature to reinforce your point, very mature.

    When you have owned more than 1 example of the platform maybe you will have a better understanding of how it works. The 1911 platform is not a Glock or Beretta, 1911s are all not the same when it comes to fit.

    I do not have an issue with the term idiot scratch when used in a good nature way it is indeed acceptable. IMO it was not in this thread. I am moving on as I really do not want to debate this any longer and was just throwing my .02 in not tying to offend anyone.
     
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    I'm not the one that doesn't know how to reinstall a slide stop without scratching the frame.
     
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    My Ed Brown is super easy to put the slide stop back in - my custom Springer is not.

    I used scotchtape for a while, to protect the frame. Now, I have a device that fits on the frame to protect it while I put the slide stop in. It is VERY hard to get it in on the Springer. I have to use a screw driver to help me push in that plunger.
     
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    12 pages of threads come up when you search for "idiot scratch" on a popular 1911 forum.

    Also, to Ruggles,.....3rdgen HAS owned MORE than one model 1911, just to give you a heads up.
     
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    Hello. My name is "CigarGuy" and I'm an idiot.......
    Really no good reason. The guy that sold it to me, new, told me and showed me. I, of course, didn't remember. I, finally cleaned it after putting 125 rounds through it, and just couldn't get the pin back in(remember, I'm an idiot!). So I met him at the cigar shop and he put it back together in, oh, 3 seconds. And mentioned how he had told me NOT to scratch it and how he had showed me the right way to do it.
    Shoot! I was just glad to have the damned thing back together!:wink:
     
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    I don't know what the big deal is, apparently the new Colt Delta Elite comes with one, in stainless too! :supergrin:
     
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    Even the most finiky will probably get a slight mark that's visible from the slide stop.
     
  20. faawrenchbndr

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    :rofl::rofl: