Hello, Folks, Have any of you had some experience with these? They have infected one of the PC's in my department and nothing has been able to get rid of them. We use AVG free version (the company is too cheap to spring for real anti-virus software) and it, of course, can only tell you it's there, it does nothing to kill it. AVG has all the current virus definitions, for all the good it does. I used several removal tools from Symantec, Stinger, Hijackthis, Norton Antivirus with current definitions, nothing seems to work. I would really appreciate any insight anyone might have on getting rid of these two pieces of malicious code. Thanks in advance.