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Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Will Beararms, Mar 1, 2013.

  1. Will Beararms

    Will Beararms Millennium Member

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    You do know there are Heroes among the ranks of our Men and Women in Blue who are making a stand and making it public they will not enforce laws that strip away our gun rights. With all that is going on, it's important to know this and thank them if you have the chance to. They are putting their jobs on the line even more than they already do now. Thanks for taking time to consider this.
     
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    AK_Stick AAAMAD

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    I applaud their actions, but every single one of them should be fired.


    It is not the polices job to decide what law is constitutional or right. Its their job to enforce the law.

    Publicly announcing they will not fulfill their oath should be considered a verbal resignation and treated as such.
     

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    I'd like to know the actual percentage. I bet it's less than 1%
     
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    What a crock.
     
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    AK_Stick AAAMAD

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    So if you walked up to your boss and said, I object to doing what you pay me to do, what exactly do you think would be his recourse?


    Thats exactly what those cops are saying. We're not going to do our jobs, and you can't make us do it.

    Complete and utter horse crap.
     
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    In my federal oath, I swore to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
     
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    This has been going on with immigration laws for years....
     
  8. AK_Stick

    AK_Stick AAAMAD

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    So did I, but I don't remember any clause about being able to pick and choose what laws I obeyed.

    Last I checked, we have a system to decide what is constitutional, and it isn't "I won't enforce what I don't agree with"

    Had they said, "we think X is unconstitutional, and we won't enforce it until the supreme court rules on it" they would have my support. But cops have no place deciding what is, and isn't constitutional.
     
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    So the police are to be robots?

    I thank those who use common sense. And this belongs in the Cop Talk forum.
     
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    Well stick,

    This was my first thought as well.

    The police will pretty much enforce the law...........or they will find some that will.

    It's their job. Shut up and enforce the law. A lot of guys can't do that. They will be replaced.

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  11. Will Beararms

    Will Beararms Millennium Member

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    Hard to fire a Sheriff.
     
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    AK_Stick AAAMAD

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    I don't see telling the whole world that you refuse to do the job you're being paid to do as common sense.



    Then again, its not exactly a common virtue these days.
     
  13. Henry Kane

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    If my boss asked me to go against my morals, what he would do in response to my refusal really doesn't matter. There would be no choice on my part, so what's going to happen will happen regardless. Accepted. Done. No point in my being upset about it. Fire me, replace me. I'd feel better having acted on virtue, and having removed myself from the situation by default.
     
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    I agree.
     
  15. Henry Kane

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    Wouldn't the oath to uphold the Constitution be that clause?
     
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    Good luck enforcing that law. Again, it's clearly Us vs Them.


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  17. Will Beararms

    Will Beararms Millennium Member

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    There are still free states in America and we welcome you. As an added benefit, your taxes may be significantly lower.
     
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    What you (or I) feel is constitutional, does not make it so.


    There are a plethora of laws I don't agree with, GCA 68' 1986 NFA ect.


    But like it or not, they were ruled as constitutional.


    As I said, we have a system in place to determine what is and what isn't. And if they had said, we won't enforce it untill SC determines it, then I would agree with their stance.

    But cops do not get to do the SC's job in the field. We see entirely too many cases of them making the wrong call for me to have any faith in their ability to make field decisions on the constitution.
     
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    I absolutely agree that personal interpretation of the law by individual officers is a big no no.

    I suppose where I'm kind of missing your point is that the law enforcement personnel saying this are basing their comments on (state, federal, or both) Constitutional laws, as they have been legally interpreted. If the states of residence and employment of these individuals already have laws in place stating what is Constitutional, and orders to enforce new laws that contradict existing laws come through, this seems more like upholding their oath than it does personal interpretation. :dunno:
     
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    State laws, do not supersede federal laws.


    If a state passes a AWB after passing one of the "firearms freedom laws" then it would be a state matter, but if a federal AWB passes, it supersedes what the state wants to do.

    It would have to go to the SC, and be ruled upon, and they wouldn't have to enforce it till it had been, but thats not what they're doing or saying.



    Before anything has happened, these LEO's are saying, we're not going to obey any laws that we don't agree with, and there's nothing you can do or say about it. Before any law is passed.