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I want to buy my first glock, need info please

Discussion in 'General Glocking' started by wolverine_173, Aug 3, 2011.

  1. wolverine_173

    wolverine_173

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    So i want to buy my first glock. I have shot the glock 17 and the glock 22 loved the 17 and i want one. But have some questions. Ill post a couple threads so i dont ask a ton of questions in one thread.

    Can someone please explain what the difference is between the generations of the glock 17?
     
  2. Taurus851

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    i'd recommend posting all your questions in this thread and not creating multiple threads
     
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    sgtlmj NRA Life Member Millennium Member

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    This.
     
  4. Fire_Medic

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    Well the Gen3 has a smaller magazine release, a grip that's 2mm longer than Gen4 front to back, and a single piece guide rod.

    The Gen4 has a bigger reversible magazine release, a grip that's 2mm shorter front to back than Gen3 plus it has two add-on backstraps, one that adds 2mm another that adds 4mm. The Gen4 has a two-piece guide rod.

    If you get a Gen4, ask the clerk to field strip the pistol for you and look at the hole in the side for the guide rod from the inside. The earlier slides didn't have a recess cut into the slide for the spring itself to sit in. The newer slides DO have that recess cut. I'd get the one with the recess cut. Picture below:
    http://media.photobucket.com/image/glock counterbore slide/gotm4/556pics/slides.jpg

    Also look at the guide rod, the metal base of the guide rod should have two or three numbers on it. At the 9 o'clock position should be a 0. At the 3 o'clock position should be a 2. I wouldn't buy the gun unless the guide rod has the 2 at the 3 o'clock position. It may have another number at the 6 o'clock position but that number doesn't matter as long as the hole in the slide for the guide rod has the recess cut.

    The Gen4 guns also have a slightly heavier trigger pull due to the different angle at which the connector sits in the trigger housing. The latest Gen4 guns should have a different connector to lighten the trigger pull down to the same level as Gen3 guns. That connector will have a "." or dot marking on the leg that sticks up.
    In this picture you'll see a red arrow pointing to where that dot marking would be located:
    http://tinypic.com/r/ekghgn/7

    Gen3 magazine release: http://i42.tinypic.com/25585k0.png
    Gen4 magazine release: http://www.westernshooter.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Glock-22-GEN4-Large-Mag-Release.jpg

    And some videos comparing Gen3 to Gen4 by dakine425:
    Part1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtS59trmk3Q
    Part2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHTcrSAOZG0
    Part3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka3Ek7iy2hs
    (in the video he compares to a Gen3 G34, the G17 does not have an extended slide stop like the G34 does)
     
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  6. ricklee4570

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    That is some great information! Thanks for posting it.
     
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    Before you buy your first Glock you need to know what uses you want to get out of it. Concealed carry, home defense, plinking at the range, competition, etc.. I think that unless you are going to use the gun for a duty weapon or for a carry weapon you should check out the G34 before buying the G17. The G34 will be easier for a new shooter or even just a new glock shooter to learn with because the longer sight radius makes it a little easier to aim and hit what you aimed at. But either gun is an excellent choice. :wavey:
     
  8. CheddarB

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    gen 1's and 2's, have no accessory rails and have no finger grooves. gen3's and 4's have accessory rails and finger grooves.. some people like the grooves some don't. also the gen4's in addition to the larger ambi mag release,adjustable backstraps,dual recoil spring have a revised RTF(rough texture frame) though not as aggressive as the gen3 RTF2 some people like the smoother texture of the gen3, I personally like the gen4 texture, at first I wasn't crazy about it and went back and forth between that and gen3's but at the range is where I found that the gen4 suited me better, the smaller grip along with the texture helps me tremendously. here is a pic to kind of give you an Idea of the gen frames..

    http://forums.corvetteforum.com/attachments/off-topic/47656790d1282618178-gun-just-bought-a-new-gen-4-glock-19-glockframesao0.jpg
     
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    Forget the deficient 9mm, and the .40 short & weak....Go for the most powerful Glock made.....the Glock 20! 10mm all the way!
     
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  11. wolverine_173

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    So are all the internals the same or do they differ between generation?

    Or do they even differ in the same generation?

    i ask because of this, I bought a HK USP and i cant find parts i guess between 1993 and 1996 they slightly altered most of the internal and now i cant find parts in stock.

    If i bought a gen 3 would i ever have trouble finding parts or get confused about which parts i need?
     
  12. Onegoodshot

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    Gen 2 Glock 23, is (for me anyway) damn good place to start w/ a polymer pistol
     
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    They differ somewhat between Generations, and even within Generations. Early Gen3 9mm's didn't have a locking block pin so you'd have to use the appropriate slide stop and locking block, both of which are still made.

    Now with the locking blocks, that's where the significant difference comes in. The older 3-pin frames had a locking block that looked like this: http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=495&CAT=198
    The newer 3-pin frames use a locking block that looks like this: http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=392&CAT=198
    The newer 3-pin full size locking block has been made to be universal among all calibers in both caliber-size frames, the 9/40/.357SIG/45GAP frame and the 10mm/45ACP frame.

    Glock can cut your older 3-pin frame to use the new locking block.

    The new Gen4 full size frames appear to use the same locking block as newer Gen3's, but the Compact G19,23,32,28 locking block has been made different for Gen4. Comparison pictures here: http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=7346790&postcount=7
    So far none of the online parts retailers, as far as I know, have the Gen4 compact locking block in stock.

    The Gen4 compacts G19,23,32,38 also use a new slide lock spring, as far as I know none of the online retailers carry that spring yet. I'm not sure if the full-size Gen4's use a different slide lock spring, but I know that the sub-compact Gen4's use the same slide lock spring as Gen3.

    Besides that, the earlier Glocks used 90 degree ejection ports and extractors. Around the time that Gen3 was introduced they switched to 15 degree extractors. I know that Glock in Smyrna will cut older G21 90 degree slides to 15 degree, but I don't think they'll do it with any other model. The 90 degree extractors for 9mm and 40/.357SIG are still made for this reason.
    90-15 differences 1: http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14627645&postcount=6
    90-15 differences 2: http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14630188&postcount=16

    The 90 degree extractors were all non-LCI(loaded chamber indicator), as were the early 15 degree extractors. Both require use of a non-LCI spring loaded bearing for the appropriate caliber of your gun. The new LCI extractors are all 15 degree and require use of an LCI spring loaded bearing of the appropriate caliber.
     
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  14. SystemaEncephale

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    You won't have any problems finding parts, they are easy to come by. Lonewolf Distrubiters is a good place along with Glockmiester. Most parts you need are usually at your local gunshop as well. If you ever have any problems with a Glock, if you know what the issue is, you can easily replace the part yourself. Glocks are easy to take apart and swap out pieces.
     
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    You Sir, know your stuff :)
     
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    If you buy a new Gen3 you shouldn't have trouble finding every single part for it. If you buy a Gen4 full-size or sub-compact, the same should be true. If you buy a Gen4 compact, you may have to wait a few months to get a spare locking block and slide lock spring.

    This thread will show you the test-fire dates, which pretty closely correspond to the order of manufacture, of the serial numbers.
    http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1287557
     
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  17. wolverine_173

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    They will always make parts even for the gen 3's where they switched like the other post said the locking blocks?

    because with hk whichever they decide to continue with on the next generation they kept making parts but the one they left behind 17 years ago it seems they have stopped. Do they still make every part you need for the gen 1 and 2 glocks?
     
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    Glock 19, enough said!
     
  19. gyfgyf

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    Glock 19. Yeah!
    Gyfgyf
     
  20. highfructosecornsyrp

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    glock 19, 3rd gen. You can get one used for about 400-450.