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I think the NFA is Unconstitutional

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Kingarthurhk, Dec 8, 2012.

  1. Glock20 10mm

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    His implication is dead balls on. Look at the meteoric rise of social programs, unemployment extensions, food stamps and now universal government health care. Look at the "prodigies" being graduated from the public school system.

    When people hear I live off grid, raise and hunt much of my own food and **GASP!!** maintain firearms for the purpose of defending my home and family, they are confused by this choice of lifestyle. It scares the crap out of them, the simple concept of being RESPONSIBLE for ones own welfare is FOREIGN to them.

    More proof is in the various natural disasters that have hit our nation these last few years. The number of citizens that were PREPARED to take care of themselves continues to dwindle. The expectation of the government to rescue them and care for them increases. So yes... his implication is correct.
     
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    Hmmm, yet history says a different story. Militia's and guerrillas have been standing up to and inflicting death and destruction in the face of heavier armed adversaries and their will has still not been broken. You can kill a man but killing an ideal is much more difficult. And Freedom is one hell of an ideal many are willing to fight for.
     

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    Not true...

    http://www.knobcreekgunsales.com/events/featured-events/machine-gun-shoot

    What limits our ability are three things:
    1. Government restrictions our our RIGHT
    2. Ignorance of the people of their RIGHT
    3. The cost of the weapons are out of reach for the average citizen. That make it a self regulating industry right there.
     
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    You haven't been paying attention... we have a Socialist in power hell bent on breaking our nations economy so he can make life "fair" for all. And the masses are gleefully following him right into the grave. Useful idiots the lot of them.
     
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    Ingredients for disaster...
    1 - automotive device
    A volume of volatile fuel (won't say how much... don't need the feds on my ass)
    Another off the shelf product.
    And one more...

    Drive automotive device to desired target area. Exit automotive device and remote detonate. Life is dangerous... and the problem is none of us get out alive. The goal... to last as long as possible. Bottom line though, if someone is hell bent on causing mass death and destruction, it can be easily done with COTS available to any and everyone. It's a matter of obtaining the items, combining them then deploying them.
     
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    You forgot to add that many of us are former military and know the tools and play book.
     
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    Everything. You think by denying a citizen the ability to purchase an explosive you are preventing it's deployment. But in fact it's a fallacy based on false hope.

    I can very easily build my own rockets. The parts are readily available and the technology for simple rocket propelled grenades and even short range rocket are easy to construct. Do I build them? No, I have no need to... yet. But I know how, I learned in 8th grade (got into trouble for it too).

    Grenades... same thing. You argue based on the premise that denial and restriction is what keeps people from breaking the law, but that is simply not true. Someone that is determined and feels they have a need can and will attain it. The fundamental difference is what they create may not be as effective... but it doesn't have to be. It just needs to work.
     
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    No, I do not agree. The NFA and restrictions on Americans that are legally (as defined within the BOR) capable of owning firearms should not be regulated.
     
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    Well has anyone changed their opinion here at all yet? Yeah me either. Aghhhh 2nd A debates on GT, they never end with anyone having changed views :)


    Guess we will see how/if these laws progress. Are there any serious court case pending on them currently?
     
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    I think from my post I have made clear that laws do not stop anything, they only help limit those violations they pertain to. Fact is that if I wanted to toss a few granades into the local mall tonight I could not. Why ? Because I have none and can't go buy some down the block. The law just helped limit my ability to commit that crime. Could I make my own? Yes but that sure takes more skill, resources and time than buying off the shelf.
     
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    Then you aren't determined enough to carry out the action you described. And in the process you are denying others that don't have thoughts of illegal activities from enjoying the ability to purchase grenades and toss them around on their property. Restricting access to the majority due to a minority is pretty audacious.
     
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    The SCOTUS disagrees with you.
     
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    I am unconvinced that the majority would rush out to buy a basket of grenades or for that matter if a majority would even vote to make the purchase of a six-pack of grenades legal for whoever might consider buying some.
     
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    Regardless of whether they will or not, saying they can't is rubbish.
     
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    Wait - if the majority actually think that leaving hand grenades to be illegal, that's rubbish?
     
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    Not determined enough? LOL, yeah we should go ahead and make it easy cause the determined are going to do it anyways. Hell why check any incoming containers at ports, can't check them all and the determined ones will find a way regardless. Let's just not worry about securing our borders at all, let's not even try.

    And anyone (including me) who thinks they know for sure what the Founders would say regarding this issue today is full of it. They could not even agree among themselves then as they wrote these documents. I hardly think this would be any different.

    Regardless you might want to start making your own cause they are not going legal anytime soon.
     
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    If you are in the minority that disagrees I guess it is. I think some folks on here do not support any laws regarding firearms and the like. They want the "vending machine" approach where whoever and whatever is fine.
     
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    You can get what I think is a Class III license and have your machine gun. Good for you, I just don't see me throwing my money away that fast..:dunno:
     
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    Because we are.... errrr, were a Constitutional Republic which means majority does not rule nor decide in all cases. That would be a Democracy and Democracies don't last long until they fall into either a state of Fascism or Socialism. Either way it isn't about what the majority wants. It's about the rights of ALL men (women too).
     
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    My argument has always been that if you request a license to engage in exercising your rights then you have willfully relinquished your rights and subjugated them to the status of a privilege. And that is where the "state" gains power over the people.