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Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by Small Tony, Mar 15, 2010.

  1. Small Tony

    Small Tony

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    This is something I should have known by know but only a couple years into handguns. So still learning.

    If you could be so kind and explain "cant" I believe it is the angle of the gun?

    Secondly, when people speak of "I use it a 2:00 or 3:00 position" is that the butt of the gun? Meaning if the butt of the gun was at the 12:00 position the gun would be straight up and down?

    Sorry for the lack of knowledge. I would appreciate any input. THanks.
     
  2. HerrGlock

    HerrGlock Scouts Out CLM

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    Cant: Think of the slide being totally vertical. That's zero cant. Now swivel the gun so the bottom of the butt of the gun is on a vertical line with the trigger guard. That's positive (or forward) cant. Now think of the gun swiveled so the rear sight is on a vertical line with the trigger guard. That's negative (or reverse) cant.

    Clock position is in relation to your body. Belt buckle is 12:00. Between your two rear pockets is 6:00. Where your right arm crosses your belt when relaxed is 3:00. Left arm is at 9:00.
     

  3. Small Tony

    Small Tony

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    Okay thanks for the information. Much appreciated but let me double check this so I am certain. So interms of cant at clock position example:

    I am right handed so where my right arm crosses my belt relaxed is 3:00 position. So no matter where my gun is on my belt is always vertical? It is the cant that means the angle?

    So say I am at the 3:00 position and have a cant of 15 or say 30 this just means the butt of the gun moves forward?

    Sorry if I got this wrong. Appreciate the patience. Also if someone care to put up a picture would be great. Thanks again for helping.
     
  4. HerrGlock

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    Cant is gun angle only. Has nothing to do with the belt. Assumption is belt is always parallel to the floor.

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  5. evomx5

    evomx5 GLOCK Goob

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    Here is mine at the 3:00 position with a forward cant. Shoulda sucked my gut in a little. :eek:)

    <a href="http://s304.photobucket.com/albums/nn163/evomx5/?action=view&current=IWB.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn163/evomx5/IWB.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
     
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  6. Small Tony

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    Excellent! Thanks for the pics. I fully understand it know.
     
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    That's why HerrGlock gets paid the BIG bucks, all them techno glossy photos!




    And another one that goes in my copy for future use file.:supergrin:
     
  8. Bill Lumberg

    Bill Lumberg BTF Inventor

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    Well put herr. Zero cant is generally preferable, unless you're carrying behind 9 or 3 o'clock. It is only then that introduction of cant may contribute to ease of draw. For larger guns or smaller people, it may be necessary to introduce cant to reduce printing of the butt of the gun. I carry all my guns with close to zero cant, except for a full size 1911, which needs some cant to clear seatbacks.
     
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    I find that at least a little cant will ALWAYS make a gun a little more concealable. But at the range, straight draw is preferred. And there's your tradeoff.
     
  10. Small Tony

    Small Tony

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    This was the reason I made the post. I was thinking of carrying a fullsize. What cant do most use (taking out body style) carrying a fullsize?
     
  11. HerrGlock

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    I like the 15 degree no matter what size firearm. It's the most comfortable, FOR ME. You need to figure out what works for you.

    You might want to pick up a holster with variable cant and play around with it to find your preference.
     
  12. MacG22

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    Full size what? 1911 or striker pistol?

    Something like an MTAC or Supertuck. Scream's been trying out a pancake for his 19Iron and he can give you a good report on that soon enough. I carry my 1911s in an MTAC, and I've almost decided to switch all of my IWBs over to the MTAC. For me, it was better than everything else I've tried. YMMWMCV.

    The heavier the gun, the greater the necessity for a good gun belt. No arguing with that point, either.
     
  13. Small Tony

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    It would be between a fullsize Glock or M&P. Would a cant of 30 be to much on a fullsize?
     
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  14. MacG22

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    Could be. You don't often see much past 20. 15 is called "FBI". Strikers you got a shot with over things with beaver tails. Full sized Glock can be tough, based upon your specific build, because of that thick grip. For others, it melts into their rib padding like butter. I find I cannot conceal a full size Glock even if I canted it in circles and hired a unicorn to turn it invisible. M&P I've had more luck with. 19Iron more luck still.

    If you're going IWB, and you cannot go try one on in the store, I'd recommend getting an MTAC type of adjustable cant system. That way you can fiddle with it all you want like goldilocks. All of us have been there.

    And don't ignore all the belt comments on here, either. You always want a good belt until the moment you go to pay for it and then you have a conversation with yourself like, "I guess I can wait until next month... I'll just keep tightening my crappy belt a little more so there's no room for movement." And one night when you're out with your wife you're gonna pop in half from cinching your crappy belt down so much. Before you know it some Drummer named Raul will be sleeping with your wife and patting your kids on the head while they head to school just because you didn't pay out for a proper gun belt. You don't want that, do you?
     
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  15. PhoneCop

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    I carry a fullsized 1911 in either a CompTach with 0 cant or a leather yaqi-style at whatever cant that is... maybe 15 to 25. Both are OWB. Concealling a fullsized is more length of cover garment for me than anything else.

    5'11" now 215lb (and shrinking). :supergrin: