Yep, I know. I talked a bunch of smack about Winchester AC in the past. But I'm still right. AC sucks for published loads. So I got suckered into loading 9mm Major for a local competitor that is trying to get me to be one of the few licensed manufacturers loading 9mm Major. Trouble is that requires a custom headstamp and $10,000 I don't have to buy 100K brass for the minimum order. I started running AC with 124gr FMJ bullets at Major level. OK, I'm about 98% sold. I'm getting 1380fps with a 124gr FMJ (not plated) from a 5 inch 1911. Two OALs I'm working with are 1.170 and 1.145. The longer does 167 PF and the shorter does 171 PF with same charge weight. This is what I'm talking about when I said "not usable within published data, but has potential if venturing beyond with understanding and respect". Clean, soft (for Major), consistent, flat dot tracking, cheap to load. Powder doesn't spill either.