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Discussion in 'Religious Issues' started by ArrowJ, Dec 6, 2012.

  1. muscogee

    muscogee

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    If so, that makes them hypocrites. If they obey God's law when it's convenient and ignore it the rest of the time, then their beliefs have no credibility. All one has to do to ignore God's law is declare a state of war. War on poverty, war on drugs, the list goes on ad infinitum. All things can justify war and war can justify all things.
     
  2. Japle

    Japle John, Viera, Fl

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    Deal with the subject at hand or admit you can't handle it.
    Using war to justify your god's approval of slavery won't work.
     

  3. inertia186

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    Actually, that's how all of the nations went about it, not just the Hebrew nation. If you didn't enslave your enemies, you had to kill them. The alternative was to allow their culture to invade after the war was over.

    Your critique of God is that He didn't use an anachronistic approach to break into human history.
     
  4. Japle

    Japle John, Viera, Fl

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    Nope. My problem (well, one of them) with the god of the OT is that he didn't tell his people to stop slavery. He certainly could have done that, but he didn't. He told them how to conduct slavery.

    He never said slavery was undesirable. He never said there was anything wrong with buying and selling people, breaking up families or killing slaves as long as it was done according to his rules.

    Are you defending his advice on slavery? Do you think the Hebrews should have followed his laws and continued to be slave owners?
     
  5. inertia186

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    Do you have the same critique of the US Constitution?
     
  6. Japle

    Japle John, Viera, Fl

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    Tell the truth, 186, are you under 14 years of age? Do you seriously think the adults here can’t tell when you have no answers and constantly try to change the subject so you won’t have to admit it?
     
  7. Animal Mother

    Animal Mother Not Enough Gun

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    I don't recall anyone claiming either the US Constitution or the men who composed it were inerrant.
     
  8. inertia186

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    Inerrancy is not at issue. Merely, is it valid to throw out an entire document that includes instructions that modern eyes view as objectionable? Or does that document have some concessions that are consistent for the time and place they were written?
     
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    Inertia186 has never said that the Bible was inerrant. That is a fundamentalist belief. He did lead with fundamentalist doctrine, but does not seem to be able to argue it. A good thing really.
     
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    The forum is "I believe".

    So what do you say.

    What do you believe about the Bible?
     
  11. inertia186

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    I believe inerrancy, but as I said, that's not being debated.
     
  12. Japle

    Japle John, Viera, Fl

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    Inertia186 is in a tough spot. He (?) wants to believe the Bible in inerrant, but he can’t defend his god’s support of slavery. His only recourse is to do his best to avoid discussing that – and who can blame him – and discuss anything else.

    Now, he says he believes in inerrancy, but won’t debate it. No wonder. Debating inerrancy would just lead him back to defending slavery.
     
  13. Lowjiber

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    I believe that a Religious Issues Forum does not belong on a gun forum.
     
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    How does one decide what parts are in error and which parts aren't? It seems to me that it comes down to personal opinion. If one's personal opinion is the criteria, they why does one need the Bible to decide right and wrong?
     
  15. Japle

    Japle John, Viera, Fl

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    See post #91.
     
  16. muscogee

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    Beliefs can be based on fact or fiction. Belief in the supernatural has to be based on fiction. If there was factual evidence evidence for the supernatural, then it wouldn't be supernatural.

    There is factual evidence for gravity, evolution, and so on. There's no factual evidence for a supernatural being. Since there's no factual evidence at the moment, the logical conclusion is that one does not exists.
     
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    *concession of slavery
     
  18. Japle

    Japle John, Viera, Fl

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    A distinction without a difference.
     
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    Is it safe to say you never make concessions for things you find abhorrent?
     
  20. Japle

    Japle John, Viera, Fl

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    Yes. There are, for instance, no circumstances under which I would make concessions for slavery.