Debate I believe what I can see, touch and hear. I believe in this life, this reality and nothing more.

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  1. Grovenator

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    I believe what I can see, touch and hear. I believe in this life, this reality and nothing more. When you dead, you dead. Only the strong can accept this fate.


    [Moderator Note: I create this thread from off-topic posts in another thread - RussP]
     
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  2. rargos

    rargos Vox clamantis

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    So accepting this means you're strong, right? And if you don't accept it, you're not strong?

    Interesting how so many people think it makes you "strong" to not believe in God or an afterlife.
     
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  3. Grovenator

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    No, you said that.
     
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    rargos Vox clamantis

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    You said:
    So clearly you see yourself as "strong" since you accept the "fate" you yourself describe. And you're also clearly quite proud of yourself for being "strong" in this way and want to share that with us.

    I wonder what your reaction would be to the statement "I believe in God and an afterlife, and only the strong can accept this fate" Does that work for you too?

    Quite honestly, I think the hardest thing (the one requiring the most "strength") lies somewhere in between: where one has no absolute proof that God exists and must struggle with faith or a lack thereof .... kind of like the situation most people find themselves in. But if everyone is strong, then no one is strong, right?
     
  5. Grovenator

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    I see any religion as the proverbial (like that?) crutch. Not sure why people need religion. It's all man made. Repeat something often enough and people begin to believe it.
     
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    I believe in many things that I can't see, touch or hear.

    Air, Pluto, microwaves, Ultra high frequencies, 22 LR ammo in Walmart, God
     
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    Such as "Non-belief" makes you strong.
     
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    Just as you are doing now.
     
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    Do you believe we will ever be able to put a man on Mars and bring him home safely?
     
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    I am not sure a man can live long enough to make the trip both ways.
     
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    I'm asking the OP.
     
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    :animlol:It only takes about 6 months to get to Mars. An 18 month stay and the trip back? 2.5 years. We aren't sending guys your age who may not have 2.5 years left :fred:

    :laughabove:
     
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    Grovenator, I don't see where accepting the finality of death, i.e. the afterlife, takes any strength. It's the easy way out. There was a time in my life where I had hoped it was true.
     
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    I too believe that dead is dead. No afterlife, no soul, no new adventure.

    And I too hope that what I believe is true. The description of an afterlife in "heaven" sounds like a monstrous torture after the first millennia or so. Maybe some wanna live forever. Not me.

    As far as strength? I don't think it takes an amazing amount one way or the other. All people know they're gonna die, but to most it's a somewhat abstract concept unless you get the whole "3 months to live" thing from the docs. If we all worried too much over dying we would never live.
     
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    Ha,ha ...point taken.
     
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    That really, really made me laugh. Good wit.
     
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    Interesting choice of words: religion is a "crutch" to help weak people, and "strong" people like you therefore have no use for it. Pity you feel that way.

    As for repeating something often enough and people starting to believe it -- this is precisely what is happening today, but it's atheism that's being pushed by academia, the media, entertainment, etc. I'm pretty sure that as a believer I'll be in a minority in this country within a couple of decades.

    Funny how putting my "Keep Christ in Christmas" magnet on my car has a distinctly subversive feel to it these days ....
     
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    Much sooner than that, according to trends.

    I'll feel much more comfortable when people who don't have imaginary friends are in charge.
     
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    Ha, ha yea you being from Conn. I can understand about those imaginary friends you speak of as Hillary got 54.6% of the Conn. votes. Must be in the drinking water, causes hallucinations and imaginary friends. :animlol:
     
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    I'm curious - why not say "when atheists are in charge"? Or "when the people who are in charge don't believe in God"?

    I'd feel more comfortable if the people in charge showed some maturity and didn't resort to childish name-calling.