Hypercav Website Update:

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  1. They1

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    Hi all,
    I tried to post this on the original thread but it's been 'closed' (I didn't do it)

    FYI: We've updated the website Photo Gallery to show some additional test results, and on the 'Marketing Page' (scroll down) includes a video of a water jug test.
    (*You'll note the impact force difference of the HC round, vs. the control (the entire stack of jugs are moved back about 3". Watch the cardboard back-stop)

    http://www.hypercavbullets.com

    More test results are pending from independent sources, and I'll post them as they become available.
     
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    You wont be met here with the same response as THR.ORG. Dont take it personally, but this may not end well.
     
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    Looks like drilling holes in your bullets causes the jacket to fragment.
     
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    Not holes, my friend - "vent channels".
     
  6. They1

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    I don't take it personally. Personal attachment has no place in product development.

    The end result of the project will be what it will be.

    If folks choose to see, for the first time, a new concept, and carry a pre-conceived disposition or otherwise closed mind, that's not my issue.

    New tests were done today using Magtech .45+P 165gr. Copper rounds. Video and stills were taken. The tester is compiling the data. I'll post the results on the website for those who are interested.
     
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    It did frag the jacket. The S&B bullet is un-bonded.
    The control round also separated from the jacket. The noteworthy difference was the energy-of-expansion difference between the two.
     
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    We did a new test set, this time we used Magtech .45+P 165gr Copper (SCHP).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b0bK9xmxPs

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    [/FONT][FONT=&quot]First and foremost, the Magtech SCHP doesn't appear to work well at all. Only 1 out of 4 of the factory bullets expanded - and that's in water! Water tends to induce a bit more expansion than ballistic gelatin does. But even with water, the Magtech factory SCHP only manages to expand 25% of the time. Not very good odds.

    The purpose of HyperCav was to increase the reliability of expansion of a hollowpoint bullet. In this case, we see that very well. The HyperCav modification about doubled the probability of expansion.

    That wasn't particularly unexpected. What was unexpected, is that the impact of the HyperCav bullets was significantly more violent than the factory bullets - even when they didn't expand![/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Why is that?

    For a simplified demonstration, go into your bathroom, and turn on the cold water, full blast. Then, with one quick motion, slam the valve closed all the way. You might hear a bang and then your pipes rattling. That's called "water hammer."

    Water is an incompressible fluid, which means that the volume of water can't change (well, there are minor volume changes with temperature, but squeezing water can't compress it). When you turn on your faucet, all the water in the pipe is moving. When you shut off the faucet, the water suddenly stops. All that kinetic energy has to go somewhere - it turns into pressure.

    In fluid dynamics, pressure and kinetic energy are interchangeable. A rocket turns pressure into kinetic energy by using a nozzle. An object flying through a fluid causes kinetic energy to turn into pressure where the fluid hits the front of the object, that pressure is known as drag.

    So in your water pipes, suddenly turning all that kinetic energy into pressure isn't a good thing. The fix for that is to install a small vertical section of capped pipe near the faucet. This vertical[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]pipe, maybe six inches long, is full of air. When the faucet is suddenly turned off, the sudden pressure increase is cushioned by compressing that air. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]

    [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Where else have we seen an air cushion?

    That's right, in the cavity of a typical hollowpoint bullet. Remove that air cushion and what happens when something suddenly increases the pressure of the water?*[/FONT]

    New Gelatin tests are pending using Federal .40 HST rounds.

    I'll post results when we get them in.
     
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    FYI: Just getting some new test results in.

    http://hypercavbullets.com

    New vids from NP's latest testing on the 'Marketing' page. There will be more to follow.

    New pics in the Gallery, including our first, and very interesting rifle shots, 30-30 Copper and 7.62. (including some 4-layer denim.)

    Also, BrassFetcher has completed another Gelatin test: Federal Tactical LEO 165gr .40. 1-control, 1-Bare gelatin, 1-Gel w/4-layer denim.

    I'll post the results when I get them.
     
  10. They1

    They1 They

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    Hey all...

    Latest videos from testing are in, and posted on the website. (Marketing page)

    These include two rifle calibers.

    *Note the results from the 30-30 Copper. With this and other Copper round testing, we're beginning to see that Copper and 'porting' are going to get along just fine!

    Be sure to read tester's comments at the right of the page.
     
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    Shouldn't you be a paid advertiser here on GT if you want to post threads like this promoting your product? You haven't even donated to the site and yet you are trying to create revenue by posting links to your page. Just a thought, maybe you should talk to Eric.
     
  12. ilgunguygt

    ilgunguygt Enslaved in IL

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    He is actually keeping people up to date on the research and development of the product. He doesnt actually sell anything, as of yet, I dont believe.
     
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    Berto woo woo

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    What is the estimated Fuller Index in the 115gr 9mm HC rounds?
     
  14. Haldor

    Haldor Formerly retired EE.

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    I liked how the ironing board tipped over on the second shot. What power!

    Actually I clicked in hoping it was going to be something about the super cavitating torpedoes that fly through the water.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercavitation

    That is a cool concept. Drilling holes in a bullet so it blows up when it hits water? Less so.

    Besides HST 9mm expands to around 0.7". That is like 200% expansion and the bullet doesn't come apart.