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Huffington Post On the Offensive against Guns today...

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by MacG22, Mar 30, 2010.

  1. MacG22

    MacG22 CLM

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    Here's one article. One of the leads. But look at the front page...even has a letter of Mayor Bloomberg's letter to Obama. IF there is a face to the anti gun movement right now, it's Mayor Bloomberg. He's incredibly dangerous to us. Infuriating stuff, really. But we must fight it with good info.

    Here's some more links to read as well:
    Main Page
    Bloomberg Letter Story



    Courting Another Oklahoma City

    Link to Story, copied in full below.

    It was almost exactly a year ago at this time that a "controversial" report was released by the Department of Homeland Security. This finding, labeled "Right-wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment," explained that the lunatic fringe might use the recession and ascension of the first African-American president to recruit members and then plan violent attacks on the homeland.

    Although this effort was initiated under the administration of George W. Bush, the usual bed-wetters on the Right -- especially a large Oxycontin-laced, self-indulgent buffoon with the ever-appropriate name Rush -- whined and hissed about how it was a political jihad.

    Here we are a year later, and it is starting to feel very 1995 out there right now. While the Obama Administration and lawmakers on both sides of the aisle genuflect before the NRA, we are not only doing not nearly enough to keep high-power weaponry out of the hands of, for lack of a better word, "evil-doers," but the NRA is leading state legislatures around by the nose in attempts to actually weaken gun laws we do have on the books. As it was aptly put in in an editorial in the Charleston, WV Gazette:

    Almost any criminal, psycho, drunk, wife-basher, drug addict or other prohibited person can buy a pistol illegally at a gun show -- no questions asked. Test after test has found that many gun show dealers, licensed or unlicensed, sell deadly weapons to practically anyone with money, evading federal laws that forbid sales to the unfit.

    In fact, once the practices of these gun shows were exposed by undercover investigations, such as those planned by Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York and his organization, Mayors Against Illegal Guns (Disclosure: I consult for MAIG; I am speaking for me, and only me, in this piece, however), the response was not to make it harder for criminals, terrorists and the mentally unstable to get guns at gun shows. It was to try and pass legislation to make such investigations illegal. Brilliant plan! Sweep it under the rug, and it is sure to go away.

    It is no matter, that as my friend Brian Rothenberg, Executive Director of Progress Ohio, has said, it is easier to get a gun at a gun show than cold medicine. Or that the recent shooting at the Pentagon, by an anti-government radical and mentally disturbed man named John Patrick Bedell, was able to occur because even after the state of California deemed him mentally unfit to have buy a gun, he just went to Nevada and bought em through the infamous gun show loophole.

    No background check. No questions asked. And then off to shoot innocent people at the Pentagon.

    But if you think this is bad, it is only going to get worse. Tea baggers are showing up to rallies brandishing signs with Brownings and the obvious implication. You know, the gun founded by the guy who the state of Utah would like to honor instead of Martin Luther King, Jr. Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Michelle Bachmann and the rest of the itsy-bitsy IQ brigade now like to put targets on legislators, encourage their supporters to "reload," and are using other violence-infused imagery. Meanwhile, Christian Militia groups are putting together videos worthy of al Qaeda while planning to murder Michigan police officers with guns and IEDS.

    Seriously, stop and watch this spooky video for a second (they even got the German music right!).

    What has been the response to the crescendo of incidents like these over the past few months? The Obama Administration is missing in action. Meanwhile, Republican legislators, like Senator Tom Coburn, are actively trying to put guns in the hands of the mentally unbalanced. That's right, Coburn tried to attach an amendment to the health care bill to restore gun rights to veterans declared "mentally incompetent." Seriously, does the man, and the 45 who voted with him, remember Ft. Hood?

    The service and sacrifice of veterans must be honored and those who fight for their country must be respected as the courageous individuals that they are. But that doesn't mean giving those vets who have taken a different path, who have committed crimes, terrorist acts or are mentally unbalanced, easy access to weapons that kill. Timothy McVeigh was a veteran. Lee Harvey Oswald was a veteran. Charles Whitman was a veteran. And guess what? The report issued by Homeland Security specifically spoke of veterans, who might have certain skills and be suffering from PTSD and other ailments, being sought out for recruitment into these right-wing groups. The suicide rate among veterans is skyrocketing too, so perhaps guns aren't the answer.

    In fact, maybe if the Right loved veterans as much as they love soldiers (or millionaire estates) we would have fewer of these problems. But that is for another piece.

    Thankfully, Coburn's idiotic measure failed, the second time the NRA has lost on the floor of the Senate after 5 years of only knowing victory. So there is the bright side of this. While we have a long way to go to get to common sense, perhaps we're slowly getting there. Now we need the Obama Administration to get in the fight, as well as Congress. And we all need to be vigilant in this effort.

    As some in the comments will, I am sure, remind me, criminals and terrorists will still get their hands on guns. Agreed. But should we be helping them? I mean, rapists don't stop committing rape because we made it illegal, but by making it illegal, it at least makes it harder for them to both do it and get away with it. Shouldn't we apply the same effort to keeping weapons that kill out of the hands of those who intend to, or don't effectively know what they're doing? Common sense, folks.

    Speaking of that, it is amazing how every time a Democrat is elected President Republicans seem to lose theirs en masse. Remember Bush's big speeches about defeating the terrorists? Well, now the Law & Order crowd on the Republican Right suddenly loves themselves some criminals and terrorists. They want to do all they can to arm them. Isn't it wonderful for the rest of us?

    Which brings me back to where I began. It is starting to feel very 1995 out there. We must do all we can to hold our politicians to account, to do what they can to stop the madness. Starting with (but not ending with) closing the gun-show loophole. Because we all remember how 1995 ended up.
     
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    I believe anyone contemplating gun ownership should use form 4473. Can't pass it, can't own guns legally. that simple. I enjoy my rights to legally own firearms. I do'nt want it gone. Act judiciuosly and prudently with legally obtained firearms and go on with your right to keep and bear arms. Do otherwise and you make us law abiding gun owners look like the enemy to the Anti-gun establishment. Now, criminals will always have access to firearms, just look at Mexico's drug fueled violence. The Narcos have every kind of firearms available to them, includin full auto ones that are obtained illegally, despite Mexico having some of the most Draconian Gun Laws anywhere in the world. So, if criminals have guns, then prosecute those outlets that are facilitating these weapon purchases to the maximum extent of the law, and leave the rest of use lwegal gun owners alone. keep the main thing, the main thing, folks!! Stay vigilant my friends, protect our 2nd...We live in one, if not the greatest country in the world. IMHO. Let's keep it that way. God bless the United States of America. That's Us folks.! Have a great day...Peace!:2gun:
     

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    So you believe in banning private sales and obtaining government permission before being allowed to receive a firearm?

    ML
     
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    Propaganda War is in full swing by Obama socialists/marxists.
    Target all on enemies list...
    Which is pretty much all non-liberal, non-atheist, non-socialist, etc.
    :whistling::supergrin:
     
  5. MacG22

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    Wow. Interesting. I was reading all the comments about the Bloomberg story on the site. People were applauding it was not the main story...dropped faster than any main I've seen on that site before.

    Most of the comments were pretty critical of bloomberg, too, and I read through a few pages worth.

    Unreal. Good public response, though, IMO.
     
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    Good idea - :upeyes:

    Let's also agree to national gun registration - and then might as well agree that you really need to provide a VALID reason / justification to buy a gun.

    Why would anyone need a semi auto or any firearm that holds more than 5 rounds.

    Then we could submit to having our guns held by the government (for safekeeping) when we were not actually using them (at a government approved range)

    Small fee to cover the added cost - $500 for a .22 - the calibers that have no purpose except to kill people would be more - $1,000 for 9MM - $10,000 for an AK sound about right? Per gun per year of course.

    Then we must ask ourselves - do you really need more than 10 rounds of ammo? What are you going to do start a war?

    But sure - let's invite the government in to our lives - they know best.
     
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    I was going to respond to the article, then thought better. Who would care? Certainly not the bunch who live by the Post's word, and certainly not the author.

    Besdies......I've got a lot of terrorist to arm today.




    You need to ask yourself, why the push for gun control as they want it now? Why do they believe any more pushing, needling, and crying will do them any good?

    Because it just might.

    They know the Congress members who voted for HC have nothing to lose now. They'll pass just about any legislation put in front of them now, in fact....the Post is counting on it. They believe now is their time, that now is the time for Congress to act.....since they have nothing else to lose. They have two things in their favor, first...they have a large majority in Congress....second and most importantly...the members have absolutely nothing to lose. If the voted for HC and are in a tight spot, gun control won't matter. They're gone anyway, no matter what they vote for, so make what time they have left count.....as the Post sees it. Perfect timing as far as the Post is concerned. And the President sees it the same way for what he has planned.

    And they might be right.
     
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    I tend to believe that the more rational people respond in meaningful way to these articles--that is, we come across as intelligent, articulate (within reason), and make strong arguments (note: not just being contrary)-- the more affect we will have.

    Sure, they may argue with you on the blog for a moment. But over time the composite affect of ingesting rational arguments is moderation. They may never be "pro gun", but they may just be unwilling to be an activist against them or to show up and vote against gun rights.
     
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    Funny how Bloomberg is protected 24/7 by some gun toting types complements of the taxpayers of NYC . . .
     
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    I find Bloomberg to be one of the most dangerous guys for our rights that exists today. And despite what folks think of different political types, I think he's one of the biggest snakes out there for 2nd amendment issues.
     
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    Mayor Bloomberg = Waste of Human DNA! :steamed: :puking:
     
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    The government has absolutely no authority to make me pass a test in order to exercise my God-given rights.
     
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    The Machinist Please! Please! No more!

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    Of course, this didn't happen, because gun-owners are among the most law-biding citizens in this country. Liberals were hoping to God this kind of thing would happen. They want violence and death. They want another Oklahoma City.
     
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    I agree with that, and I kind of think it works on all sides.

    It's like people who constantly throw out "SHTF" scenarios and planning threads and etc. I'm not saying there isn't real value in being prepared and and thinking through it. But you kind of get the feeling some of these folks WANT society to collapse. It's almost like the WANT the s to htf.
     
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    I was wondering how long it would be before the phrase 'high-powered' cropped up. Not long at all.