HST 124+p or 147gr...What’s your preference and why?

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  1. Glock234Me

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    I actually carry my G19 gen 5 with HST 147gr and at home my G45 is loaded with HST 124+p. No big difference in recoil, just my preference due to frame grip.
     
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    I like 124gr +p in my g26. I like the extra 50fps in the shorter bbl, may help expansion & helps with momentum. I am also ok with 147gr +p. Both meet my desired 60cal + & 14-15"+ to reach vitals. Would also carry those in my g19 as well.
     
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  3. SDGlock23

    SDGlock23 JABRONI AUTIST

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    I have both but usually run 124gr +P, both are fine.
     
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    I've never shot 147-grain in any 9mm pistol I've owned, not because I don't like it but because I've got so much ammo that I've sworn off buying any more until I shoot a good bit of my stash and need to replenish. Add to that, I've got several dozen Hornady 147-grain XTP in .357sig that in my estimation is the better caliber to hurl that weight bullet.

    The 9mm caliber was designed for a 123/124-grain bullet more than a hundred years ago and it's proven its worth millions of times over since. Modern ballistics design has vastly improved the available rounds and I don't believe anyone who's investigated the subject really disputes the 9mm capabilities for self-defense. If I accidentally come upon a proven 147-grain box of 9mm JHP at a price I can't resist I'll jump on it because many testimonials from trusted sources indicate it's the real deal.
     
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  5. IAhunter

    IAhunter Venor ergo sum

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    124 grain, similar to the old 125 grain .357 mag loads I carried early in my career.
     
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  6. GlockerBill

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    I have a suppressor on my bedroom gun and like to keep velocity under the sound barrier, so I go 147. To simplify my life, that is what I use on my unsuppressed CCW gun as well. In addition, at least in theory, the heavier bullet will penetrate more, all things equal. I like penetration, so the 147 is good with me.
     
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  7. 'Ol Grandad

    'Ol Grandad Director of civil unrest

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    I like heavy for caliber bullets pushed as quickly as the firearm will allow.
     
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    While I like the idea of "load with the heaviest bullet it will push" (and if I ever get to handloading, I will make some 158gr rounds just for tits and pickles), it seems to me a 9mm works best with either 115gr or 124gr bullet weights, so I'll take the heavier of those two and be good.
     
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  9. TheDreadnought

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    Neither. 124 grain HST standard pressure will do the job just fine.
     
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    CDW4ME Enigma

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    HST 124/147 +P either way in my 9mm's.
     
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    I'm using the 124 grain +P. Either would probably do but I feel the 124 will be more likely to give me the expansion I want with adequate penetration.
     
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    I like the 124 gr. (not +P) HST.
     
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    There is little difference in ballistic performance between the HST 124, 124+P, and 147. Try each and if there is some noticeable difference in recoil or POA/POI, then use that to decide. Of if don't want to go to that trouble, just get the 124 and don't lose any sleep over it.

    One advantage to 124 or 124+P over 147 is it might be easier/cheaper to find practice ammo that closely matches it.
     
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  14. sciolist

    sciolist On the Border

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    I like 147, because it's more like what I shoot most of the time.
     
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    I've used a variety of 124gr +P & 147gr over the years. I still find either acceptable.

    However, given my druthers, for my guns, I prefer to reach for the 127gr +P+ (of various production vintages).

    Well, unless a box of 124gr +P or 147gr is closer at hand than going out to open a safe or ammo cabinet. Then laziness will often win out and I'll grab the rounds closest at hand. ;)

    I've used all 3 bullet weights for so many years (as a firearms instructor) that I usually don't notice any difference, even when loading loose mixed rounds into magazines to run a qual course or drills practice.
     
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    I would tend to lean toward 124 grain +P over a 147. I reason that first of all the 124 is the most versatile of the 9mm loadings, and the one most likely to function in just about anything. I recall a recent article from somewhere where at least in terms of textbook and ballistic gel performance, the 124s performed better out of short barreled pistols and pretty consistently out of duty size guns (4 inch barrels or longer). The 147s tended to actually perform more consistently, i.e. penetration and expansion out of duty size pistols than they did from subcompacts. Granted, a lot of the data used to judge best performing bullets comes from the FBI, which bases their testing and performance criteria on a variety of potential scenarios and media that FBI special agents have or anticipate having to encounter during critical incidents. The tragic Miami shoot-out still weights heavy in their their thinking and influences their criteria. The 124 grain HST and Gold Dots (non G2) have performed very well for law enforcement across the country, and are probably more than adequate for most defense needs. The 147 grain subsonic was originally developed for Naval Spec Ops to provide a reliable bullet that worked better with suppressors than supersonic 124.
     
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    I have both but carry the 124+p, mostly from old school days when you really needed pretty close to 1000fps to get expansion. I know the HST will expand below that, it just gives me more confidence in the load on my shorter g26. Though if I start carrying the 147+p, I'll be fine there too. Though I do lose a bit of sleep knowing the energy dump is so small.:crazy:
     
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  18. ChrisD46

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    Either standard pressure 124gr. or 147gr. HST (but now trending towards the 147gr.)
    *I feel the Federal HST loads are the best , most consistent expanding self defense rounds out there now . My second choice is the original Gold Dot but too confusing today to know what is what with Speer Gold Dots any longer ?
     
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  19. rock_castle

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    Same for me. +P doesn't supply a noticeable ballistic advantage for the added recoil. Check out the Lucky Gunner ammo test.
     
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  20. bigj480

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    Seems the trade-off is expansion vs penetration, pick your poison. Here is a test, using actual 10% gel, of the 147gr load where he mentions how it compares to the 124 +p. He has a seperate video on the 124gr +p. He also has a video where he chose what he thought was the best carry load and it was NEITHER. Anyway, here is the 147gr test:


    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3VfWkWMzOI

    I think the 124gr open up fine and are probably are more likely to open up in adverse situations. They also penetrate better. Shot placement is king, the slight expansion difference is not a big consideration to me vs the more considerable penetration difference. Everyone has their own criteria though.
     
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