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Hi all,

I see that here in Oklahoma, we might get Open Carry passed (hopefully!).

So my question is: How will Open Carry being allowed, affect the CCW laws here in Okla? What are the rules in current Open Carry states?

For instance, if I have a CCW license, and I am carrying concealed, and my firearm is exposed (lets say a gust of wind blows my shirt up), is that illegal?

I am wondering since, if it is okay to Open Carry anyway, would this scenario even matter?

thanks for any advice or insights!
 

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Each state that allows open carry will have different laws surrounding how you can legally open carry. Take WA and CA for example, both allow open carry, but with very different methods in which you can legally open carry.

If open carry is legal, and you are lawfully carrying concealed and a gust of wind exposes your gun, and a soccer mom freaks and calls the cops, you may still get a visit from a LEO, but likely won't be charged with anything if the exposure was purely accidental. Intentionally raising your shirt to show your gun to someone, can be considered intimidation, and in most places, would be considered brandishing.

Again, check OK laws first and foremost. Go to the state legislature website and read the laws, don't take what you read on a gun forum to be the gospel regarding carry laws. "But officer, the internet said it was legal" won't work as a valid excuse for breaking carry laws.
 

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Here in FL we've got a bit of legislation in some stage or another which will allow only CWP holders to OC (currently, there is no OC in FL)... but as far as I can tell, other than diminishing the list of places you can't carry (which is good), it won't impact CCW, legally speaking. "Social" impacts... hell, I don't know & don't even want to speculate.
 

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Minnesota makes no distinction between concealed and open carry. They issue a "permit to carry".
 

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In Virginia, open carry is the default or normal mode of carry while concealed carry is the abnormal mode since it requires a permit. As for how open carry is met with the general public, it's pretty much a none issue. For example, I have been open carrying on a regular basis for close to four years now (as in perhaps over 90% of the time), and I have only had one confrontation with anyone. And that was with a customer at a MacDonald's who claimed he was a retired LEO. However, judging from his accent, he was not native to Virginia so I would chalk that one up to out-of-state ignorance.

I have never had any problem whatsoever with any Virginia police officer; state, local, or sheriff. Not one time with any of them. Police are pretty darned good at sizing someone up and getting a quick idea of their demeanor. I don't dress or look as though I'm someone they might take an interest in I suspect and therefore, nothing ever happens.

As for your question about a shirt rising up and exposing your sidearm, yes, that could be a problem in a state where open carry was illegal I imagine. So care should be take against that happening until it is not an issue.
 

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Thanks for the responses so far!

So I wonder, if Open Carry is allowed, would printing under a shirt be a non-issue also?
 

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In NC, open carry is legal without a permit. You get a permit to carry the gun concealed. While I have never carried openly, I like the fact that a person can't be charged with a crime if their shirt rides up or they just don't want to conceal their weapon.
 

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A shirt popping up should not generate an LEO response.

Just politely advise of carry permit and most people go okay.

What are they going to do? Argue?

In my liberal Western WA, open carry is legal but not advised in the urban areas as people can complain and draw you attention.
 

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In Ohio, you can open carry around, but when you get in a vehicle, you have to have a CC permit to keep in in a holster on your body. If not, you have to put it in the trunk and follow the proper transportation protocols.
 

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IMO...

shall issue CCW permits + legal open carry = easier for legislation to pass law to make it legal to conceal carry without needing a permit
 

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OKdoc, while the information from other states might be interesting, it's really not going to be relevant.

How open carry will affect CCW in Oklahoma will depend totally on how the statute is written and how the courts finally determine how the two laws interact. Keep a close eye on the text of the new bill as it winds it's way through your legislature. That's the only way you'll be sure.
 

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It shouldn't matter, but may depend on your state law once it's passed.

Open carry has always been legal here in Az. Concealed carry didn't affect it at all.

Now we can carry concealed or openly without any permit at all, and as far as I know, we can switch from one to the other without issue.

So, if my shirt lifts in a gust of wind, then I'm open carrying for a moment or so. Or, if I'm open carrying, and my jacket covers it, that's not a problem either.

I wouldn't worry about it too much.

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I know that I'll probably get flamed for this but.......

I can think of only two reasons to support Open Carry:

1.It is a constiutional right in my home state an we cannot allow our rights to be slowly taken away.

2. Accidental "displaying" of firearm by someone who has a license to carry a firearm being charged with "brandishing" their firearm.

There are many reasons that I DO NOT support Open Carry but I will list two as I did in supporting Open Carry:

1.When you open carry your firearm you have sacrificed the tactical advantage of stealth and surprise. Everyone, including the bad guy(s) now have you in their sights.

2. Simple courtesy and good judgement.
Guns, even in the hands of law enforcement people, scare the h**l out of some people.
Unfortunately, some folks also seem to delight in pushing this to the limit by choosing to carry long guns which only adds fuel to the anti's rage.
Just because it is legal to openly carry a firearm does not mean that it makes good sense to do so.
 

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I know that I'll probably get flamed for this but.......

I can think of only two reasons to support Open Carry:

1.It is a constiutional right in my home state an we cannot allow our rights to be slowly taken away.

2. Accidental "displaying" of firearm by someone who has a license to carry a firearm being charged with "brandishing" their firearm.

There are many reasons that I DO NOT support Open Carry but I will list two as I did in supporting Open Carry:

1.When you open carry your firearm you have sacrificed the tactical advantage of stealth and surprise. Everyone, including the bad guy(s) now have you in their sights.

2. Simple courtesy and good judgement.
Guns, even in the hands of law enforcement people, scare the h**l out of some people.
Unfortunately, some folks also seem to delight in pushing this to the limit by choosing to carry long guns which only adds fuel to the anti's rage.
Just because it is legal to openly carry a firearm does not mean that it makes good sense to do so.
You give very good legal reasons to support OC. Then you give judgmental and subjective reasons against it.

Perhaps one of the things we need is for people to get used to seeing firearms on people who are going about their daily lives without causing a ruckus. Then their kids will start asking, "why do you say only bad guys carry guns and that the only thing they're good for is killing? I saw a handful of people carrying them today and not one of them was doing anything wrong" and the kids will start realizing their parents have been lying to them all these years about who carries firearms.
 
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