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...in the 3:00 position (on the hip)? I know that quite a few people do it with no trouble, but I can't. I don't care how small the gun is, it hurts my hip bone and I would need my pants to be about 3" too big in the waist! I can carry IWB at around the 4:30 position behind my hip very comfortably, but 3:00 just doesn't work for me. Anyone care to share some tips? :dunno:
 

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I carry at about 3:30 with a mtac iwb holster. I found that if I cant the gun/holster enough to keep the barrel off my hip I can carry all day with no problems. I am carrying a g19 or g23 everyday all day even when I am at home.
 

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Yeah, if it hurts at 3:00 then don't carry at 3:00.

Anything else I can help with? :cool:

I carry somewhere near 4:15 or so.
 

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I have tried IWB with a comp-tac and just hated it. I carry OWB now in a Don Hume leather thumb break holster. I have a H21 for all of my guns. It might not conceal as well, but it is good enough for me with an easier draw and resecure IMO than a IWB.
 

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For IWB, I carry using a holster with the typical FBI tilt (Ususally a Milt Sparks VM II), the front sight right at the side seam of my trousers. I use a quality 1-1/2" leather gunbelt. Works fine, and as comfortable as I've found. The VM II spreads the pressure well.
I'll be going with an OWB holster for a bit. Milt Sparks Mirage.
 

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...in the 3:00 position (on the hip)? I know that quite a few people do it with no trouble, but I can't. I don't care how small the gun is, it hurts my hip bone and I would need my pants to be about 3" too big in the waist! I can carry IWB at around the 4:30 position behind my hip very comfortably, but 3:00 just doesn't work for me. Anyone care to share some tips? :dunno:
Yeah Exactly at 3:00 bothers me. I keep mine at 3:30-4. In that position the pistol melds comfortably with my love handle fat.
 

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The 'sweet spot' where everything feels good, there's no printing, nothing shifts varies from person to person. Please don't get hung up on "Everyone else carries at 3:00, why can't I."

For me, carry position also varies based on the cut of my pants, placement of belt loops, position of pockets, even fabric. There's also the holster to consider as well - thickness, leather, kydex, combination. Oh, and that thar thang you're carrying, its size comes into play, as well.

You say, "...I would need my pants to be about 3" too big in the waist!" Do I read from that you're trying to carry IWB with the same size pants as usual? That will be uncomfortable.

You will need a larger waist size. That may be anywhere from 1" to 3". The odd waist sizes, 31", 35", etc., are normally found on higher priced or custom made slacks. 2" extra works well for most. If you're still having problems, buy a larger pant and take it to a tailor. If you carry concealed 12-18 hours each day, that money spent on getting the waist size just right, tailoring the fit to match your body will be well worth it. If you go the tailor route, think about having the waistband reinforced where you'll carry the holster.

Cant is another important factor. How do you know what is right for you? Easy... Unload your carry piece. Remove the ammo from the area where you are. Unload your carry piece again, checking the chamber this time. Now that you are certain the firearm is empty, check it one more time. Okay, you will need a piece of flexible cardboard measuring approximately 8 1/2" x 11", a pencil, your carry gun, and a friend.

Wearing the pants you'd normally carry in, using the gun belt (You do use a gun belt, right?) you normally wear, find the sweet spot on your waist by inserting the pistol inside your waistband Mexican style. Once you find it, slip the cardboard between the pistol and your body. Make certain the top edge of the cardboard is parallel with the top edge of your waistband. Having a helper makes this much easier.

Now adjust the cant of the pistol until the grip angle offers you the best purchase on the pistol. Once you find that perfect angle, have your friend draw a line parallel to that angle on the cardboard. Remove the cardboard. Remove the pistol. Do not reload the pistol yet, you might want to try other pants.

Measure the angle. Most holster makers build cants in 5 degree increments, 0-5-10-15-20 degrees. Choose the one closest to what's right for you.

Okay, now that you know where is most comfortable and the cant that offers the best draw, you can look for the right holster and belt.

That belt is extremely important. We've had many GTers come on saying they can't find the right combination for comfortable carry. Turns out they're using belts that cannot support the weight of the holster and gun. Don't cheap-out on the belt. There are belts designed to support today's rigs that look like dress belts, casual belts and work belts. Some are built using Chicago screws so you can change buckles.
 

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As a lefty, I cannot carry at 9 o'clock either. I carry all my glocks at about 8 o'clock in a shielded holster and 5.11 leather gun belt. At 176 lbs my hips are too bony!
 

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My "sweet spot" is at 3:00...I like my C-Tac holster best and adjusted it to sit low and at about a 5 degree cant.

I can conceal my 19/23 as well as my 26/27 with just shorts and a polo shirt, but I have to wear a t-shirt underneath to avoid a couple hot spots from the kydex holster. I wear a Galco nylon reinforced 1 1/2" trainer belt.
 

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@RussP: wow..that's a lot of great information! Thanks for taking the time to post it! I agree that a good belt is important to properly anchor a holster and distribute the weight...of most guns. If I were to start carrying my G19 (or anything heavier) I'd be using a belt. But for a PF9 it would be totally unnecessary. The gun/holster combo I have is incredibly light and thin. It doesn't even pull the edge of my jeans down. BTW, when I carry in the 4:30 position my pants only need to be about an inch bigger in the waist.
 

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G22 @ 3-3:30. The pants have to be 2-3 inches bigger with a real gun belt and it has to have a cant to the holster. Tommy THEIS holster with a re-enforced instructor belt works for me. My pointers to you would be at least 1/2 size bigger pants, holster w/cant. You might try a holster with cant first. I believe with your Kel-Tec PF-9 straight like that and the pants fitting perfect it drives the slide/barrel across your hip bone. With the cant of my holster it allows the slide/barrel to actually lay more behind the hip bone.
Nothing wrong with carry at 4:30 but for me it puts too much gun back there and I would not be able to sit down in a chair that has a back on it. If you took a poll I bet that most carry closer to 4:30 than 3:00 so is there a reason for you to want to carry @ 3:00? Good luck,
Mike
 
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