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How 'tactical' is a 18.5 inch double?

Discussion in 'Tactical Shotguns' started by Deaf Smith, Nov 12, 2010.

  1. Deaf Smith

    Deaf Smith

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    Saw a Savage/Stevens 311A 18.5 inch 12 for sale at a pawnshop. $300.

    It was very tight, excellent condition,and whomever did the barrel shortening (I doubt 18.5 was the origional length) did a very professional job with an excellent bead front sight.

    So, if you add choak tubes or vang comp the barrels, and embed a good white light with pressure switch into the forend stock, does that make it tactical?

    Deaf
     
  2. Jon_R

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    You could add all that stuff if you wanted to. It is tactical enough as is to cause people to stop breathing. :whistling:

    I think it will serve you well as is for typical home defense. I might add a shell holder to the stock for a couple extra rounds just in case your 2 was not enough.
     

  3. Critias

    Critias Freelancer CLM

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    How "tactical" does it have to be?
     
  4. DPris

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    The barrel walls may or may not be thick enough to accommodate screw-in chokes, and a year or so back one of Vang's guys told me they can't do their internal work on double barrels.
    The light would be.....questionable.

    Otherwise, you'd have a decent two-shot coachgun.
    How "tactical" that is would be up to your definition of tactical.
    Denis
     
  5. MrMurphy

    MrMurphy ********* Moderator Moderator Millennium Member Lifetime Member

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    Old school doorknocker. Tactical or not, that's a fighting gun.
     
  6. DPris

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    I have the "police" 311R, great for certain applications, but I don't call it "tactical".
    I do call it short & handy.
    Denis
     
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    Spiffums I.C.P.

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    Just duct tape a flashlight with a slide on switch on it and your good to go........
     
  8. aippi

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    I have the word "Tactical" in my company name and I don't understand the implications of it any more then most people on here. The best meaning is what each of you think it means.

    I am guessing from your post that your meaning is that the weapon has to have certain features to be a Tactical Shotgun. So for you that weapon does not fit. However, for me it would. In fact that type of double barrel is KISS and the clown that messes up and gets on the muzzle end doesn't give two ships what you have mounted on it. He only knows he has just screwed up and has two 12ga barrels pionting at his head. He is going to do what you say and call you Sir while he is doing it. Or he is going to be an idiot and will removed from the gene pool.

    If the weapon fits your need and the intended application you have for it then go for it. Please don't get caught up in this Tactical fad and think you need a lot of mess on a shotgun. Hundreds of thousands of these "Tactical Shotguns" have been sold in the past years but there are more homes that have a simple single shot or SXS or a pump sporting model and that is their HD shotgun.
     
  9. 22highcaps

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    Could you use it for "tactical" (ie,HD) purpose?

    Sure, but there are better choices. Why any one would limit themselves to two rounds before reloading is beyond me.
     
  10. Njanear

    Njanear Nagant-ophile

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  11. Deaf Smith

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    Njanear,

    I was thinking more of the surefire being embedded in the forend like the 870 Surefire lights that are in the pump.

    And maybe an Ashely 'big dot' for the front bead. And I sure would love to see a grip safety that made it drop safe (for we all know an AD/ND with a 12 gauge would be catastrophic! And choak tubes or vang comp the barrels! And ejectors instead of extractors! If H&R can make a $80 single shot with them, why not a double?

    Adding rails and gizmos would just complicate the matter.

    And guys, yep I plunked down some lay-away money and intend on shortning the stock to make a 'bantam' stock (and still keep well withing the 26 OAL legalities!) Still fired from the shoulder as I've fired 'cruiser' 12s and don't like them at all.

    Deaf
     
  12. DPris

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    I think you're either seriously kidding or seriously doomed to great disappointment.
    Denis
     
  13. m24shooter

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    "Tactical" today tends to be a marketing term. Call something "Tactical" it automatically is better. The only way to top it is to call it Tier 1, Operator Grade, or say it's in use with the SEALs. I'm surprise Viagra isn't called "Tactical" at this point.
    Tactical really refers to how you use something. The old doubles were tactical back when a modern sidearm was a six gun that you had to keep the hammer on empty chamber with. They worked then, and they still work. As said, it will cause a person to lay down for a while and bleed and eventually stop breathing. Sometimes really fast.
    Take a look at the video of Clint Smith running a double gun or single shot and you will see just how tactical you can be with a 19th century scattergun.
     
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    I don't see much need to add assorted tacti-cool doo-dads to the gun. The 311 was used by NYPD detectives for years without any need for mods.
     
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    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tactical

    Definition of TACTICAL
    1
    : of or relating to combat tactics: as a (1) : of or occurring at the battlefront <a tactical defense> <a tactical first strike> (2) : using or being weapons or forces employed at the battlefront <tactical missiles> b of an air force : of, relating to, or designed for air attack in close support of friendly ground forces
    2
    a : of or relating to tactics: as (1) : of or relating to small-scale actions serving a larger purpose (2) : made or carried out with only a limited or immediate end in view b : adroit in planning or maneuvering to accomplish a purpose
    &#8212; tac·ti·cal·ly\-k(&#601;-)l&#275;\ adverb
    Examples of TACTICAL

    1. They gained a tactical advantage by joining with one of their competitors.
    2. He made a serious tactical error.
    3. The planes provided tactical air support for the soldiers on the ground.

    First Known Use of TACTICAL
    1570

    Related to TACTICAL
    Synonyms: advisable, desirable, judicious, politic, prudent, expedient, wise
    Antonyms: impolitic, imprudent, inadvisable, inexpedient, injudicious, unwise
    Related Words: advantageous, beneficial, profitable; useful, utilitarian; feasible, possible, practicable, practical; opportune, seasonable, timely; opportunistic, self-seeking
    Near Antonyms: impractical, profitless, unfeasible, unprofitable; inopportune, unseasonable, untimely

    Rhymes with TACTICAL
    practical


    So, it seems to me that "tactical" is up to you, not the gun.

    bc
     
  16. ADK_40GLKr

    ADK_40GLKr Adirondacker with a Glock

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    Trying to be diplomatic here - Doesn't tactical have to do with how the weapon is used, not how it's pimped out? (Oops - didn't succeed - OH well!) When I was a lad... (Yes, grampaw?) tactical was tying the bottom of your holster to your leg, so you could draw your cap-pistol faster.
     
  17. Deaf Smith

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    But david, has not the NYPD gone to more, uh, 'tactical' stuff like Glocks and Mossie shotguns instead of 6 shot S&W revolvers and SxS scatterguns?

    Deaf
     
  18. DPris

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    You want to go "modern", go modern. No problem whatsoever there.
    But, trying to do what you're suggesting to a 311 is nothing more than silly.
    Take a .38 caliber S&W Model 10, add night sights? Well....can be done.
    Weld on a light mount? Can be done.
    Sleeve the barrel, modify a couple internal parts, and install a custom made 9-shot .22 Mag cylinder, to make it more "tactical"?
    Just buy a Glock.
    Not much difference between that & the idea posed above.
    Denis
     
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    If you put a spoiler on your mothers 4 door Buick, does that make it a sports car?
     
  20. DPris

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    No, it does not.
    BUT- if you stick a blower on top of a Model A Ford's engine you can run it at Indy.... :)
    Denis