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I had a couple of mis feeds on my new G19 2 years ago. No problems since then.
 

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Your categorization is poor...but a while back there was something commonly referred to as a phase 3 malfunction. I had a G19 (at least I think it was the G19, it might have been my 17, but pretty sure it was the 19) that did this enough that I eventually sent it back to Glock. The phase 3 malfunction is kind of like a stove pipe, but instead of the spent shell pointing up, it's extracted, stays with the head against the breach face and is still held against the breach face by the extractor. To clear, you have to drop the mag, lock the slide back, and forcibly remove the spent shell from the breach face, either by tapping it out or grabbing it with a pliers.

Glock, in their typical fashion of not admitting an issue, fixed my G19, but wouldn't say what they did to it. Before sending it in, it'd gotten to the point where it was doing it pretty frequently, and I remember, when it came back, I went to the range with a Winchester 100-pack, and dumped mag after mag through it into the berm, didn't even bother with a target. It never did a phase 3 again.

AFAIK, NYPD had a bunch of G19s exhibit this issue. This would have been sometime in the early 2000s...I tried searching for my posts about it, but found nothing.
 

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Your categorization is poor...but a while back there was something commonly referred to as a phase 3 malfunction. I had a G19 (at least I think it was the G19, it might have been my 17, but pretty sure it was the 19) that did this enough that I eventually sent it back to Glock. The phase 3 malfunction is kind of like a stove pipe, but instead of the spent shell pointing up, it's extracted, stays with the head against the breach face and is still held against the breach face by the extractor. To clear, you have to drop the mag, lock the slide back, and forcibly remove the spent shell from the breach face, either by tapping it out or grabbing it with a pliers.

Glock, in their typical fashion of not admitting an issue, fixed my G19, but wouldn't say what they did to it. Before sending it in, it'd gotten to the point where it was doing it pretty frequently, and I remember, when it came back, I went to the range with a Winchester 100-pack, and dumped mag after mag through it into the berm, didn't even bother with a target. It never did a phase 3 again.

AFAIK, NYPD had a bunch of G19s exhibit this issue. This would have been sometime in the early 2000s...I tried searching for my posts about it, but found nothing.
I'm open to a better method of categorization.

The phase I/phase II or immediate/remedial action is pretty well established, though
 

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I'm open to a better method of categorization.

The phase I/phase II or immediate/remedial action is pretty well established, though
You have a typo in the OP...
Major malfunction: Anything not fixed by remedial action, but fixed by remedial action.
And the last type of failure...the "nuclear option", a phase 3 is a good example of something not fixed by any common malfunction drill, perhaps even requiring the use of a tool, but not involving any permanent damage as would be caused by KB/overcharged reload.

A squib would be another example of a malfunction (granted, not the gun's fault), that can't be dealt with without tools, but again, no permanent damage as long as you don't attempt to fire again with one stuck in the pipe.
 

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You have a typo in the OP...


And the last type of failure...the "nuclear option", a phase 3 is a good example of something not fixed by any common malfunction drill, perhaps even requiring the use of a tool, but not involving any permanent damage as would be caused by KB/overcharged reload.

A squib would be another example of a malfunction (granted, not the gun's fault), that can't be dealt with without tools, but again, no permanent damage as long as you don't attempt to fire again with one stuck in the pipe.
That should read: Major malfunction, not cleared by immediate, is cleared by remedial. Typo, my bad.

The nuclear option doesn't require permanent damage, just something that you can't fix with immediate/remedial action and cannot fix then and there, effectively anything that takes you 'out of the fight' or out of the stage or out of the queue or off the line to fix. A kaboom or overcharge is just an example...possibly one of the more common examples for a handgun if I was to guess. A squat would be a 'nuclear' in that it probably takes you out of the fight/stage/off the line, etc, and probably can't be fixed by manipulating the gun right then and there (immediate or remedial)
 

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I’ve been around Glocks for 10 years now. I can’t think of a single phase 2 malfunction that I have had personally. I can only think of a handful of phase 1 malfunctions. Most of those were brought on by worn out mag springs.

I am also an armorer and instructor for a PD of 170 officers. I see tons of phase 1 malfunctions brought on by limp wristing during 1 hand firing drills; typically in our female and smaller statured officers. I also see malfunctions that are brought on by weak springs in ancient mags. I’ve seen trigger springs that are incorrectly positioned cause trigger reset issues. I recall one mag spring that broke completely.

I’m having a hard time remembering a true phase 2 malfunction that was not purposely induced during training. The vast majority or phase 1 malfunctions are user error and not the gun’s fault. In the end, Glocks are superbly reliable pistols.


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Tap-Rack-Assess (or Bang) has cured every malf I've ever encountered in any Glock I've owned from 1987-88 to present day to include G19 (4), G23 (2), G26 (1), G27 (2), and G21 (1) with a conservative combined round count of approximately 25-30,000 rounds (all factory).
 

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All my Glock pistols have been modified. Other than ammo issues all of my Glock pistols has been running without issue. I just put several hundred rounds though my Glock 19 and Glock 34 the other week and they were faultless.
 

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Been shooting for 45 years and never had a major malfunction I can recall other than 1 squib using freedom munitions new 115 gr FMJ. Bullet was an inch or so in from the muzzle end of My Gen4 4 G19. Pushed it out with a rod and carried on. This was about 3 years ago. Nothing else other than planned malfunctions induced for training.


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Not only none with Glock (except when I installed wrong extractor), I can't recall any serious malfunctions with any pistols I've owned. Not a long list (I'm recalling 15 models) but spans from KelTec to Colt. Most modern pistols are pretty darned reliable if one leaves the innards alone.
 

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Definitions, for purposes of this thread:

Minor malfunction: Anything fixed by immediate action.
Immediate action: Tap, rack, re-asses (sometimes referred to as tap-rack-bang).
Major malfunction: Anything not fixed by -immediate- action, but fixed by remedial action.
Remedial action: Remove magazine, tilt gun so ejection port is facing somewhat towards ground, rack slide forcefully several times, insert new magazine and chamber new round
Nuclear malfunction: A handloaded kaboom...just kidding (though that would qualify probably), any malfunction not fixable by immediate or remedial action, resulting in the gun being inoperable for the time being


So, how often do you get a malfunction that requires remedial action to fix, and is fixed by remedial action?

If possible, answer only for the use of a quality pistol such as a Glock handgun, quality mags (such as Glock factory or Magpul), and FACTORY ammunition.



For my part, I've been shooting longer than I've been a member here, and I don't think I have ever once exerienced a single malfunction with a Glock pistol that was not fixed by immediate action.
I had an early Gen 4 Glock 19 stove pipe a few times. That puts it somewhere between immediate and remedial (I guess).
 

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I've had a couple of squibs, with my reloads, over the years that stuck a bullet in the barrel. Took a couple of minutes to tap the bullet out and get back in business.

That's about the worst that I've had happen.
 

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I don't buy practice ammo and only a very select couple for defensive ammo . Other than development problems with a new home rolled loads I have not had a major or minor malfunction in more years than I can remember and I have rolled my own ammo since '76 . I have had some malfunctions with certain brands of .22lr ammo .
 

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I haven't had any since I stopped shooting 1911s.
I've been shooting Glocks since they came out with the 40cal.
 

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I had an early Gen 4 Glock 19 stove pipe a few times. That puts it somewhere between immediate and remedial (I guess).
Stovepipe falls under phase I/immediate action. Tap rack should take care of it. Stovepipe is just a particular type of failure to eject where the spent case is sticking up vertically from the action and looks like a stovepipe
 

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I had some squibs with my .44 magnum reloads during a cowboy match once, if you consider that a "malfunction."

Other than that, never in about 35 years of shooting all kinds of guns.
 
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