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How often do you get major malfunctions?

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Definitions, for purposes of this thread:

Minor malfunction: Anything fixed by immediate action.
Immediate action: Tap, rack, re-asses (sometimes referred to as tap-rack-bang).
Major malfunction: Anything not fixed by -immediate- action, but fixed by remedial action.
Remedial action: Remove magazine, tilt gun so ejection port is facing somewhat towards ground, rack slide forcefully several times, insert new magazine and chamber new round
Nuclear malfunction: A handloaded kaboom...just kidding (though that would qualify probably), any malfunction not fixable by immediate or remedial action, resulting in the gun being inoperable for the time being


So, how often do you get a malfunction that requires remedial action to fix, and is fixed by remedial action?

If possible, answer only for the use of a quality pistol such as a Glock handgun, quality mags (such as Glock factory or Magpul), and FACTORY ammunition.



For my part, I've been shooting longer than I've been a member here, and I don't think I have ever once exerienced a single malfunction with a Glock pistol that was not fixed by immediate action.
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On my most shot firearm my G17 I have had 2 one with Monarch Aluminum & the other with Winchester White Box ( I am lucky I caught it and did not blow my gun up. I was doing a qualification and I am glad I was able to finish with my G19)
What was the WWB malf?
 

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My S&W M-28 locked up on me twice with 125gr JHP's. My Olympic Arms AR-15 had a couple of failures to eject that required a trip to the gunsmith. Other than those two guns, smooth sailing.....
A rifle with a STUCK case is the one example I can think of that I have seen in which neither immediate or remedial action would fix the problem quickly.

AR type rifles firing something like Tulammo .223 is a good way to find out how stuck a case can get, or so it seems...hasn't happened to me yet ha
 

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I saw the OEM polymer adjustable rear sight break into pieces when a G34 fell off the bench onto the concrete floor. Is that supposed to happen with a brand new Glock? It wasn't even loaded. :)
That's your reminder that the sights Glocks ship with are meant to be replaced I guess lol
 

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Your categorization is poor...but a while back there was something commonly referred to as a phase 3 malfunction. I had a G19 (at least I think it was the G19, it might have been my 17, but pretty sure it was the 19) that did this enough that I eventually sent it back to Glock. The phase 3 malfunction is kind of like a stove pipe, but instead of the spent shell pointing up, it's extracted, stays with the head against the breach face and is still held against the breach face by the extractor. To clear, you have to drop the mag, lock the slide back, and forcibly remove the spent shell from the breach face, either by tapping it out or grabbing it with a pliers.

Glock, in their typical fashion of not admitting an issue, fixed my G19, but wouldn't say what they did to it. Before sending it in, it'd gotten to the point where it was doing it pretty frequently, and I remember, when it came back, I went to the range with a Winchester 100-pack, and dumped mag after mag through it into the berm, didn't even bother with a target. It never did a phase 3 again.

AFAIK, NYPD had a bunch of G19s exhibit this issue. This would have been sometime in the early 2000s...I tried searching for my posts about it, but found nothing.
I'm open to a better method of categorization.

The phase I/phase II or immediate/remedial action is pretty well established, though
 

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You have a typo in the OP...


And the last type of failure...the "nuclear option", a phase 3 is a good example of something not fixed by any common malfunction drill, perhaps even requiring the use of a tool, but not involving any permanent damage as would be caused by KB/overcharged reload.

A squib would be another example of a malfunction (granted, not the gun's fault), that can't be dealt with without tools, but again, no permanent damage as long as you don't attempt to fire again with one stuck in the pipe.
That should read: Major malfunction, not cleared by immediate, is cleared by remedial. Typo, my bad.

The nuclear option doesn't require permanent damage, just something that you can't fix with immediate/remedial action and cannot fix then and there, effectively anything that takes you 'out of the fight' or out of the stage or out of the queue or off the line to fix. A kaboom or overcharge is just an example...possibly one of the more common examples for a handgun if I was to guess. A squat would be a 'nuclear' in that it probably takes you out of the fight/stage/off the line, etc, and probably can't be fixed by manipulating the gun right then and there (immediate or remedial)
 

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I had an early Gen 4 Glock 19 stove pipe a few times. That puts it somewhere between immediate and remedial (I guess).
Stovepipe falls under phase I/immediate action. Tap rack should take care of it. Stovepipe is just a particular type of failure to eject where the spent case is sticking up vertically from the action and looks like a stovepipe
 
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