I addressed some of your talking points in my first post.It should become a standardized system...
say $20 total for everything... $5 for each additional gun
I understand you have paperwork involved, but its highway robbery what some of you are paying.
Paperwork is just part of the job as an FFL, but that is also the PART OF THE JOB.
What else do FFL`s do besides sit around their gun shop and talk BS all day long.
I`d say they have a pretty easy job... its not hard to use a pen an paper once in awhile.
Living in a remote area, my local gun store (LGS) is not even a gun store.
Back during the Clinton years, Bill's ATF drove all the "kitchen table" FFLs out of business and now I have just this one guy. The place is a liquor and sporting goods store that sells hunting licenses, primarily to tourists. He stocks no new guns but does take firearms on consignment.
His primary (gun) business is accepting delivery of guns bought elsewhere by customers who have to use him to transfer the firearm and create that paper trail. He charges $35 per gun to do so. I recently bought four Glock frames when GlockStore had a sale and he discounted his fee to only charge the fee for three guns, and then it was only because I asked him for some kind of discount, being a good repeat customer and all. (Whenever I ask him: "What kind of a deal can you get me on a ....?" he says, "Just buy it on line. I can't compete with those prices." I suspect he makes more money this way than if he ordered one for me.)
If I want to see an actual walk-in gun store, it's a 140-mile trip to Flagstaff. Three hundred to the Phoenix area. Suffice to say that I somewhat envy you guys that have multiple LGSs from which to choose. I have no place to go and try out or even just test the grip of various models. Most guns I buy are bought sight unseen.
Anyway, since I mostly buy on line, I have to factor in the $35 transfer fee. If he charged more, I'd probably pay it. (Don't tell him!) When one factors in the cost of travel, it's still cheaper to buy on line and pay his fee.
Just curious: how much do other FFLs charge to receive your on-line purchase and transfer a firearm?
$25-$35 transfers around here.
Over the years a few gun shop owners have remarked that they make far more money selling bait to fishermen then they do on their gun sales.
Like I said: I don't know what to think of it. However, they have to print and process paperwork. There is time involved in this. Also shipping processing and storage until the NICS comes back. I don't know what the man-hours adds up for the process from start to finish but you also have to factor in the cost of overhead to run the shop: for the 15-30 minutes it takes to process everything: assuming you have one employee. I guess if you were setup for volume it would be minimal overhead, but the LGS taking .5 man hour from the day of 8 hours is significant. I'm not saying it's reasonable that it costs so much to process a transfer, or the fact that it's debatable that we should have a NICS int he first place.. However, I know what it's like to charge by the minute and you have to stay in the green or you will be out on the street.. I know the LGS pays at least $12 an hour, that means they are investing at least $17 per hour per employee minimal with health insurance/and other employee fees. That's $8.50 for 30 minutes of time, not including revenue lost from the transfer. A LGS with one employee or two may be losing $100-200+ an hour of gunsmithing or sales. This doesn't factor the cost of daily insurance. So like I said, I don't know what to think, but I don't think it's okay to say a $25-30 transfer fee is unreasonable. Don't hate the player hate the game.. The folks who just do transfers on the side with minimal overhead are really the solution to the problem as far as I can see, as long as they charge a fair price for their time.Bullsh!t. You think that’s “fair" profit?
I give you, they need to charge something, because I certainly don’t expect them to put up with the headache of paperwork and ATF audits for free; but bare in mind an (initial) FFL costs $200...for three years. After that, it only costs $90 for the following three years, which of course is only a measly $30 per year.
So, one guy pays a $30 FFL transfer fee in the first week of January, that dealer’s FFL is already paid for for that year. The next 51 weeks of transfers are nothing but pure profit.
I recently turned in my license after having it for six years. I was what you called a table top dealer. I charged 15 dollars per gun, 10 dollars if you had an CCW permit. No charge for close friends and family.Living in a remote area, my local gun store (LGS) is not even a gun store.
Back during the Clinton years, Bill's ATF drove all the "kitchen table" FFLs out of business and now I have just this one guy. The place is a liquor and sporting goods store that sells hunting licenses, primarily to tourists. He stocks no new guns but does take firearms on consignment.
His primary (gun) business is accepting delivery of guns bought elsewhere by customers who have to use him to transfer the firearm and create that paper trail. He charges $35 per gun to do so. I recently bought four Glock frames when GlockStore had a sale and he discounted his fee to only charge the fee for three guns, and then it was only because I asked him for some kind of discount, being a good repeat customer and all. (Whenever I ask him: "What kind of a deal can you get me on a ....?" he says, "Just buy it on line. I can't compete with those prices." I suspect he makes more money this way than if he ordered one for me.)
If I want to see an actual walk-in gun store, it's a 140-mile trip to Flagstaff. Three hundred to the Phoenix area. Suffice to say that I somewhat envy you guys that have multiple LGSs from which to choose. I have no place to go and try out or even just test the grip of various models. Most guns I buy are bought sight unseen.
Anyway, since I mostly buy on line, I have to factor in the $35 transfer fee. If he charged more, I'd probably pay it. (Don't tell him!) When one factors in the cost of travel, it's still cheaper to buy on line and pay his fee.
Just curious: how much do other FFLs charge to receive your on-line purchase and transfer a firearm?
Twenty dollars!!!Living in a remote area, my local gun store (LGS) is not even a gun store.
Back during the Clinton years, Bill's ATF drove all the "kitchen table" FFLs out of business and now I have just this one guy. The place is a liquor and sporting goods store that sells hunting licenses, primarily to tourists. He stocks no new guns but does take firearms on consignment.
His primary (gun) business is accepting delivery of guns bought elsewhere by customers who have to use him to transfer the firearm and create that paper trail. He charges $35 per gun to do so. I recently bought four Glock frames when GlockStore had a sale and he discounted his fee to only charge the fee for three guns, and then it was only because I asked him for some kind of discount, being a good repeat customer and all. (Whenever I ask him: "What kind of a deal can you get me on a ....?" he says, "Just buy it on line. I can't compete with those prices." I suspect he makes more money this way than if he ordered one for me.)
If I want to see an actual walk-in gun store, it's a 140-mile trip to Flagstaff. Three hundred to the Phoenix area. Suffice to say that I somewhat envy you guys that have multiple LGSs from which to choose. I have no place to go and try out or even just test the grip of various models. Most guns I buy are bought sight unseen.
Anyway, since I mostly buy on line, I have to factor in the $35 transfer fee. If he charged more, I'd probably pay it. (Don't tell him!) When one factors in the cost of travel, it's still cheaper to buy on line and pay his fee.
Just curious: how much do other FFLs charge to receive your on-line purchase and transfer a firearm?
It varies from FFL to FFL. The going rate in my area is between $20 - $30.Living in a remote area, my local gun store (LGS) is not even a gun store.
Back during the Clinton years, Bill's ATF drove all the "kitchen table" FFLs out of business and now I have just this one guy. The place is a liquor and sporting goods store that sells hunting licenses, primarily to tourists. He stocks no new guns but does take firearms on consignment.
His primary (gun) business is accepting delivery of guns bought elsewhere by customers who have to use him to transfer the firearm and create that paper trail. He charges $35 per gun to do so. I recently bought four Glock frames when GlockStore had a sale and he discounted his fee to only charge the fee for three guns, and then it was only because I asked him for some kind of discount, being a good repeat customer and all. (Whenever I ask him: "What kind of a deal can you get me on a ....?" he says, "Just buy it on line. I can't compete with those prices." I suspect he makes more money this way than if he ordered one for me.)
If I want to see an actual walk-in gun store, it's a 140-mile trip to Flagstaff. Three hundred to the Phoenix area. Suffice to say that I somewhat envy you guys that have multiple LGSs from which to choose. I have no place to go and try out or even just test the grip of various models. Most guns I buy are bought sight unseen.
Anyway, since I mostly buy on line, I have to factor in the $35 transfer fee. If he charged more, I'd probably pay it. (Don't tell him!) When one factors in the cost of travel, it's still cheaper to buy on line and pay his fee.
Just curious: how much do other FFLs charge to receive your on-line purchase and transfer a firearm?