I'm curious how many people here train martial arts in addition to shooting? I've always been of the mindset that self defense must include not just gun skills but unarmed combat skills. The gun, as great as it is, is just one tool, and I wouldn't feel complete if I couldn't handle myself reasonably well in a hand-to-hand situation, or didn't have the physical fitness to survive an intense physical encounter or deal with any number of scenarios. One thing I feel martial arts has given me is the confidence that I won't pull out my gun in self defence unless my life or someone else's is in imminent danger. Your basic physical encounter or getting punched in the face is not something I fear much. I deal with that in training all the time. So I don't think I would shoot someone in that situation. Of course, that assumes we're not dealing with knives or multiple opponents or other threat intensifiers. Another interesting thing that I've discovered is that the longer I train martial arts the more I realize my limitations. When you're confronted by the reality that comes from training with very skilled guys on a regular basis it tends to humble you. You realize that you just don't know who you're dealing with in the real world. That frail looking old guy might be a former K1 kickboxing champion. It's the guys you least expect that are often the most dangerous. So I'm curious who else cross-trains? And what you've gained from it. And by the way, I consider shooting to be a martial art, but that's a whole nuther topic.