How is the electoral college influence?

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  1. NMG26

    NMG26

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    All this talk about the popular vote............but it is the electoral college that matters.

    What is the greatest influence of the electoral college?


    Why does the media totally skirt the issue?
     
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    Ramjet38 Mentally Frozen

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    The greatest influence is the citizen vote for that state. They're supposed to vote in accordance how the state populace vote.
     
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  3. as400guy1

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    Without the ec, the national election will be skewed..much like many state elections.
    For instance, in illinois, the state is controlled by one county. This one county can force the rest of the state to do pretty much anything it tells it to.
     
  4. HarlDane

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    Fixed it for you.
     
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    No, the EC skews the election, just as it was intended to do.
     
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  6. robhic

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    Key word "supposed". There have been times when the people of the EC have decided they know better than the rest of the state and voted as they pleased. Big NO-NO!
     
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    The electoral college and the Senate were both crafted to help insure we remain a republic instead of a democracy. Both are designed quite intentionally, to be a check and balance on the concentration of population. As the above poster stated Chicago controls Illinois politics just like NYC controls NY politics.
    The 17th amendment damaged the Senate's ability to fulfill its role just as the bills forcing the electors to vote for the national popular vote winner will.
     
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    Ok, i see what you are saying, so yes, i agree.
     
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    "Faithless Electors" are those who would vote for a candidate other than the one who won the relevant state election. This would include those enlightened states where the electors were going to vote for the winner of the national popular vote which would mean nobody's vote really counted.

    Fortunately, the Supreme Court stepped in last month and cleared things up. The electors must vote for the winner of their state vote:

    https://www.npr.org/2020/07/06/8851...s-state-faithless-elector-laws-constitutional
     
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    I would like to see the electoral college reformed.

    Overall state winner gets 2 votes representing the 2 senators. Each congressional district's vote goes to the winner of the that district. Electors must vote in accordance with the state results.

    This would eliminate battleground states and make candidates campaign equally across the nation.
     
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  11. thewitt

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    The Constitution establishes the Electoral College, however it does not dictate how the electors cast their vote.

    They are selected by the state and they vote for President and Vice President.

    There have been changes in the rules over the years that determine how their votes are cast, but NOT why they vote for one candidate or another.

    ME and NE have different rules for allocating their electoral college votes, and that has always been an interesting challenge at the national level. Since there is no dictate in the Constitution, the states can basically do whatever they want to divide their vote, however most now have adopted a popular vote majority approach and all electoral votes align with the state wide popular vote.

    There have been Electors who have voted AGAINST the popular vote in their state, and that is not prohibited under the US Constitution, however recent legal cases have changed that somewhat, though I'm not sure all the loopholes have been closed.

    There is no such thing as the National Popular vote, and that's very intentional. If the office of the President could be won by just the national popular vote, there would only be 8 states needed in a general election (might have risen to 9 or 10 by now) and the rest of the country would suck hind teat, as they say.
     
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    You don't quite understand the faithless elector ruling. Electors don't have to vote for the winner of the state's popular vote. They have to vote as instructed by the state government.
     
  13. NMG26

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    So why is the national popular vote all the news harps on?
     
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    The media is all about the popular vote......even fox. I was watching the 5 and they did not even mention the electoral vote.......just how Trump was wanting to postpone the election.

    It seems the electoral college would not be postponed in the slightest.
     
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    Because they want to push that narrative.
     
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    Huh? In several states, there is legislation directing how their electors vote based on the popular vote within that state. If the popular vote was postponed, how would the EC vote not be postponed?
     
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    That is up to the individual states. I think it would be a good system but so far 48 States don’t agree.

    https://www.fairvote.org/maine_nebraska

    Maine and Nebraska both use an alternative method of distributing their electoral votes, called the Congressional District Method. Currently, these two states are the only two in the union that diverge from the traditional winner-take-all method of electoral vote allocation.

    Since electors are awarded to each state based on the number of House seats plus the number of Senate seats (always two), the congressional district method allocated one electoral vote to each congressional district. The winner of each district is awarded one electoral vote, and the winner of the state-wide vote is then awarded the state's remaining two electoral votes.

    This method has been used in Maine since 1972 and Nebraska since 1996, though since both states have adopted this modification, the statewide winners have swept all of the state's districts in every election except 2008 and 2016. In 2008, Nebraska gave four of its electoral votes to John McCain, but Barack Obama won a single electoral vote from Nebraska's 2nd congressional district. In 2016, Maine gave three of its electoral votes to Hillary Clinton, but Donald Trump won a single electoral vote in Maine's 2nd congressional district.
     
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    It fits their narrative - mod rule. Social Democracy. This is the "will of the people" and what the Socialists want. They hate the idea of a Representative Republic. Look at all the "citizen initiatives" on the ballot in leftist controlled states. They WANT, no they NEED the people to choose their poison, because it relieves them of the responsibility and as such they cannot be held responsible.

    It's the "will of the people," and we will continue to hear how the Electoral College should be abandoned.

    Thing about the states that have said they will case their EC votes according to the NATIONAL POPULAR VOTE. This completely destroys the value of YOUR vote if you live in that state. Of course, they are assuming that the Democrats will win the popular vote. If a Republican wins the popular vote, the ones who pushed for this will be the first to try to invalidate it.
     
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    Really there is no need for an actual person; since the number of electors the several states are assigned is determined by the state's population (number of House plus two Senators) why even have a person place a vote? Presidential winner gets ALL the votes from the state won. PERIOD
     
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    Because the states get to decide - one by one - how they will allocate their votes. There is no Federal law and the Constitution does not say how this is to be done.
     
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