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How easy is it to commit a felony without knowing it?

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by hammerkill, Apr 7, 2012.

  1. Deanster

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    Makes sense to me. All the LEO's I know have a pretty finely-tuned dirtbag detector. :super grin:

    And not half-doses, but 3x 5mg Adderall is a pretty standard dose, and what my daughter takes. Oxy's, Xanax, etc., not so much. :wavey:
     
  2. Ohio Cop

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    Those are taken once in the am correct?


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    Sorry guys, but I'm still at a loss as to how a grandma or anyone else could be convicted of felony in any state were she/he found in possession of a legally prescribed medication in a container without supporting documentation after providing proper documentation to the court. An arrest I can see. Paying court costs and costs for waste of LE resources I can see, but a felony conviction after supporting documentation provided? If so, could someone please clue me in as to the reasoning because I'm in a state of utter incomprehension.

    I want to know the reasoning.
     
  4. Swiper

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    Mistake of fact is a valid defense in those cases.
     
  5. Deanster

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    Nope - Adderall is very short-acting, it has an effective time of only about 3 hours. There are other formulations that have longer release times up to 10+ hours, but they're more than 10x more expensive. Basic Adderall (Amphetamine salts is the generic) lasts just the 3 hours, but it's dirt cheap. Typical for ADD kids is 1-3x 5mg tablets 3x daily.

    We use a longer-acting single-dose most days, but the Adderall is what you want if that's somehow missed. So in some perfect world where convenience was the only choice, I'd carry a selection of options in my FAK - one long-acting, one mid-acting, and two doses of short acting, which are 3 tabs each. That would give me options to cover most likely scenarios from 'noticed that the long-acting was missed' early in the day, to 'noticed it was missed at lunch', to 'kid has a karate test at 7pm', etc.

    But that's an awful lot of not-prescribed-to-me Schedule II goodies to be toting around in a pill fob under the current rules.
     
  6. certifiedfunds

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    :rofl:That's like the guy here who told me the same because I put a G36 slide on top of my G30.
     
  7. NeverMore1701

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    And they should both be equally kosher.
     
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    What about carrying a photocopy of the script or bottle label? May not be technically legal but might save some headaches.
     
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    As someone who travels for a living with prescription drugs, I will respectfully submit that you are not a credit to your uniform. When I only need five of something, I refuse travel with fifty. HH
     
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    Ive heard that teenagers can be charged with possession of child porn if they take photos of themselves.
     
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    Yet again:

     
  12. DoubleWide

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    My CCW instructor brought up that right away. Driving down the road and there's a road closure and a detour. BAM, you're suddenly driving by a school. Before CCW, I lived in a city with a ton of charter schools. Pretty much the entire city was within a 1000ft of a school.
     
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    One time, I cut one of those tags off the mattress that says "do not remove under penalty of law." Is that a felony?
     
  14. Airborne Infantryman

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    Yes, but changing slides isn't a felony. Creating an unregistered AOW is.
     
  15. certifiedfunds

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    I thought you were kidding about that but this post made me read up.

    It appears that the BATFE has lost a couple of court cases on this exact issue, no? But still enforces the policy? Good old BATFE.
     
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    Last week I was horrified to find out that I'd flown over the Atlantic without turning off my cell phone. I'm still looking out my window at night... HH
     
  17. Ohio Cop

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    You do what you have to do, no skin off of me. Like I stated to the other gentlemen, those charges stem from the reason I made contact in the first place. An arrest for shoplifting, drugs, DUI or similar offense. Again, like I stated, I have yet to have one tossed because they brought a 'script' in to court with them. I don't think that you're walking around with "five" pills while committing other crimes, correct?

    You're missing the point by a few miles. Your opinion of me being a credit is not mirrored by my superiors or department, thanks anyway.




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  18. Ohio Cop

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    Many thanks for taking your time schooling me on this. Not prescribed to you but prescribed to your child. I think you'd be hard pressed to get an officer (including me) who would charge that unless you're regularly riding around committing other crimes.
    Am I correct that you'd have no need to have a half of one of those if you are prescribed that medication?

    Adderall is a schedule 2, which makes any amount less than bulk an F5 felony offense, at least here in ohio.They are very, very common among dopers and fairly easy and inexpensive for them to obtain.


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  19. Deanster

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    OhioCopper - no worries, and always happy to share on things I have some experience with. I think we can assume I'm not regularly riding around committing other crimes. :)

    As for the question of 1/2 pills, it's quite common. The dosing of stimulants for ADD/ADHD and/or narcolepsy (the ONLY conditions they're labeled as Rx's for) is touchy. Too little, and you're not getting enough. Too much, and you get jittery and feel lousy.

    Thus, 1/2 pills of Adderall or Ritalin (Amphetemine Salts or Methelphenidate/Methylin, respectively) are often part of the medically prescribed dose. A normal Adderall tablet is 5mg, a small blue trapezoid, looks a lot like a Viagra. Ritalin is a small plain circle tab like a baby aspirin.

    Doses for kids and adults range from 5mg to 25mg, and since the 5mg tabs are so darn cheap, and the tabs are small, many people just take several of the little tabs, and then will cut one in half to fine-tune the dosage.

    The longer-acting time-release versions (Vyvanse, Concerta, Metadate, Dexamphetamine SR) can't/shouldn't be halved.

    Anyhow, to my mind, the critical elements are that you're pretty likely to see both a somewhat large number tablets, and of a couple different sorts in the 'kit' of a legitimate prescribee. A 2-day supply for an adult taking 15mg Ritalin/Adderall 3x daily would be 18 tabs. That said, nobody prescribes stimulants lightly - you need to see your doctor every 90 days, and the docs watch these Rx's very carefully - it's a big deal, and they should know their doctor's information and Rx info well.

    It's of course ironic that the fix for inattentiveness and hyperactivity requires taking several pills every couple hours without fail. :whistling:

    I'd say that a pill crusher with any of these is a bad sign, as both Adderall and Ritalin become much more potent when inhaled/insufflated, and as the medical doses are relatively small, crushing and inhaling them is a common way to get a 'recreational' dose.

    Hope that helps!
     
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  20. Ohio Cop

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    There is usually different types of paraphernalia found as well, so I'd say you're on the money. There is a big difference between someone who uses prescription medication to sustain their livelihood, like your children's and those who abuse prescription medication, therein lies why we charge the way we do.