I have the Contender 14" 7-30 waters, 2x scope. I've been practising some off-hand shots (meaning not rested on anything) at 25 yards. I know, pretty close, but I was just fooling around, seeing how the groups compare to my other handguns. With guns such as an iron sighted Beretta 92, red-dot scoped .22, or .44 mag in either 4" or 8" barrel, I can 2-hand hold and shoot a 2" group (occasionally). More often a 4" group. But if I really concentrate, I can get down to 2". I'm using a Weaver stance, trigger hand pushing out, non-trigger hand pulling back. Really trying to lock the gun rigid and hold steady. I use that same stance with the Contender, and it just weighs a lot and is very nose heavy. And the scope shows a lot of shake. So, I'm only getting a 3" group that way. Then I decided to try a more rifle style hold, with the non-trigger hand on the front stock. I also brought my trigger hand's elbow down to my chest (which I don't do when I shoot rifles), and was able to steady the scope a lot more. That way I'm shooting 2" groups. But the recoil is pretty fierce. With a normal 2-handed pistol hold (Weaver stance mentioned above), the recoil isn't too bad, similar to a .44 mag. But when shooting rifle style, the gun rises up and out of my non-trigger hand. This style also has the scope a lot closer to my eye (because the arms are not extended as much), and while I'm not getting hit in the head, it does make me think about it The additional benefit is the field of view is larger, and I like that. Sure, a rest is best. But I'm just practising. Suppose you see a deer at 100 yards, can you make a good off-hand shot? 2" at 25 yards might translate to 8" at 100 yards. But 3" would be 12" from my normal pistol hold (and I'd have to work at it a lot more, and wouldn't be able to hold as long before the shakes set in). Oh, I noticed if I rifle style shoot without bringing the elbow down to the chest, it gets pretty wild. About a 5" group at 25 yards. Bringing that elbow down and holding it against my chest really steadies things. So, any advice? Thanks.