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House to vote on Trayvon amendment

Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by Don H, May 8, 2012.

  1. Don H

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  2. JFrame

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    Oh, good grief...Trust leftists to never waste a "crisis" -- manufactured or otherwise... :upeyes:


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  3. G-19

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    Another reason to get the Dems. out of D.C.
     
  4. Deployment Solu

    Deployment Solu Kydex Crafter

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    The Zimmerman case has not even been heard yet. These people are ALL idiots and need to be removed from office, tarred and feathered, and barred from the USA forever.

    Anything to make it easier for the Homeboys to rape, rob, and pillage. Maybe they need a Stand Your Ground Against Politicians Law??????
     
  5. F350

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    This needs to be read in it's true meaning

    "Too many of our core voter base are getting killed off by by those nasty conservatives defending themselves from people just trying to earn a living"
     
  6. oldman11

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    The biggest group of people against the "stand your ground rule" are the criminals. Does that tell you anything about the voting on this law? Another thing to remember is that most of the people voting on this employ armed guards/drivers for their own security.
     
  7. frank4570

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    It's funny because "stand your ground" has noting to do with the Zimmerman case. But as a result of peoples *perception*, the law is now in danger. Once again, perception is reality.

    Anybody who thinks image takes a backseat to reality, is mistaken.
     
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    And yet...this is the only occurance that has gained National Attention.

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  9. ScottieG59

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    I have briefly looked at the relation to the "Stand Your Ground" law as it relates to any shooting. It seems to move the onus of proof to the prosecutor to show that the accused was not reacting as the reasonably prudent person.

    The presumption is that the person claiming self defense acted prudently and based on the preponderance of evidence, the defendant may not be prosecuted. The prosecutor must show that adequate evidence exists to be able to successfully pursue a trial.

    Those who complain about the law tends to focus on the presumption of reasonableness on the part of the accused.

    It is not simply an issue of run away vs. not to run away.

    Prosecutors who have a tendency to pursue an agenda may not blindly charge ahead in the absence of evidence. A hunch will not be adequate.

    Anyway, those who claim the Stand Your Ground issue does not apply in the Zimmerman case should first do a little more research outside the Internet forums. Ultimately, the law seems to apply most directly due to the presumption of reasonableness.


    Out there in fly-over country...
     
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  10. madbaumer

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    Reading the Florida Statute would be a good place to start.

    http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.013.html
     
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    Hogwash. :miff:
     
  12. Snowman92D

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    I don't think it's going anywhere after seeing the bill's co-sponsors.

    "Federal money shouldn't be spent supporting states with laws that endanger their own people," said Reps. Raul Grijalva of Arizona and Keith Ellison of Minnesota, the two Democrats who are offering the legislation.
     
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    Federal money shouldn't be spent supporting states with laws that endanger their own people," said Reps. Raul Grijalva of Arizona and Keith Ellison of Minnesota, the two Democrats who are offering the legislation. "This is no different than withholding transportation funds from states that don't enforce seat-belt laws."

    And this, gentlemen, is just the beginning. A not so subtle way to get the states to do the bidding of the Federal Gov't. It isn't hard to image where this could end up.
     
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    It's amazing they actually think we should have to retreat from these scumbags before we can defend ourselves.
     
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    i agree, dont resist when your confronted in a life threatening situation....PH_K DEMOCRATS:steamed:
     
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    Absolutely right.
     
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    How anyone can stand behind a party that is more interested in a criminals rights than that of a law abiding citizen is beyond me. Do these nitwits and their moronic supporters realize that standing your ground doesn't mean you have to use a firearm to defend yourself.

    Are you telling me that idiots who vote democrat would not want the right to defend themselves by any means accessible. If so they truely are sheep being led around by their noses
     
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    cowboywannabe you savvy?

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    seat belts, drinking age.....speed limits....the federal gubmint has grown stronger than the states.
     
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    well, on the positive side, it promoted a lot of good posts here. trayvon, unfortunately, will do more harm in death than he could do while living.
     
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    screw 'em

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