A while back, someone somewhere else mentioned this holster: http://www.smartcarry.com/products.html Since I rarely wear pants without elastic waistband (shorts or long pants) I've been looking for IWB carry ideas. A regular IWB carry holster seems like it wouldn't be secure enough without a firm waistband or belt. I don't have my permit, yet, so I'm not in a hurry. But this "Smart Carry" product seems like a good compromise. It has its own belt / strap plus another pocket for an extra mag. Does anyone here have any experience with this product and / or thoughts or comments or even other recommendations considering the limitations of waistband that my situation presents? Thanks to all for any info provided.