Holocaust Denial and Holocaust Ignorance

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  1. BlueBayShepherd

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    FDR's policies were not that much different than AOC's policies.


    And the "Greatest Generation" really, really liked FDR. They voted for him 4 times (!), and then elected his sidekick Truman.


    Should we honor the "Greatest Generation" by finishing what they started (full-blown Socialism)?
     
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  2. 'Ol Grandad

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    Be careful, those sound a bit too much like facts and when discussing WWII, some people don't like facts.
     
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  3. as400guy1

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    Yup.
    There was a lot of grey area during and after the war.
    Multinational companies helping the NAZIs.
    The division of europe.
    Operation paperclip.
     
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  4. Current Resident

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    Remember something here, Generation "Why", as I call them is the generation of fun. They dont want to hear the sad stories and pain if what it took a generation to come to America and work to get somewhere to have the life that the new generation is now living.
     
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    My mother and grandmother were Molidorf and other concentration camps for years AFTER THE WAR. Every time I saw my grandmother she made a comment or reference to her experience.

    We sat at a 50th year anniversary program with my grandmother along with other aunts and uncles. In the seats in the row in front one of my aunt says to another, I am so greatful for all that Hitler did for us. I thought my grandmother was going to kill her.

    As far as the belief, where my aunt grew up it all depended on what side of the mountain you were as to what you were told was what you believed.

    Our kids on the other hand, if it isn't fun they don't want to talk about it.

    Just wait 40 years and let our Iraq soldiers talk to their young about what happened. Wil they still deny the atrocities?
     
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    "Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it"

    "Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because somewhere down the track of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened." - Gen.Dwight D. Eisenhower 1945
    My father, a WWII veteran made sure his sons knew the implications of a government gone insane.

    Never, ever disarm....as pacification through 'white guilt' intensifies.
    In the universe of realities your skin color is becoming your uniform, their choice, not mine. Choose wisely, hold fast.... most of you on these forums is akin to preaching to the choir.
     
  7. Current Resident

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    Bosnia and Herzegovina, does that come to mind?
     
  8. .264 magnum

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    What would you have preferred? I'll stipulate that Poland in particular and some other countries FTM took it in the shorts.

    Would you have committed another say three/four years and what 500,000 or a 1,000,000 GI lives to drive the Reds out of Eastern Europe and create a buffer zone/take over some of Russia? Maybe 6 or 8 nukes, which we didn't have, over Russian cities etc.?
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    To my eye the world would be a MUCH better place today if we had subdued the Reds. However, actually doing it would have been brutal and the outcome likely but not certain.

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    A very good read touching on the near-collapse of Allied Europe and the division of Eastern Europe at the close of WWII is titled, "Last Hope Island." I recommend the book strongly.

    It would have been The US with minor contributions from Canada, GB, France with wine and cheese etc. plus some very determined but undersupplied and poorly organized fighters from Eastern Europe vs. an 11 million man Soviet army. And don't forget Eastern European countries were chock-full of Soviet sympathizers, communists and Soviet intelligence assets.

    Ike didn't want to try it.......that's good enough for me.

    Sorry for the typos, I had minor eye surgery the other day and can't wear my glasses.
     
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  9. SCHADENFREUDE

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    Most students don't even know what 9/11 was. Why would anyone think they would know what happened 75 years ago? Do they know who the Thracians were or where they are today?
     
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    What about the souls that dug a ditch, forced in it, shot and buried. That's part of the math.
     
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    Someone said the number is about half what was thought a few decades ago. The Nazi's took good records. They did, of those in camps. Those who were killed by squads in villages, while being rounded up, as said those marched into trenches, there are millions who's names are not known. The total number of names of those rounded up and placed in a synagogue, the doors locked and then burned alive, where are those names, Those hung by the neck, Those children lined up a few at a time so one shot would be taken, Those names please.
    The true total number is not known.
    Not just my father but I have spoken with others who witnessed these horrors. Those images, are burned into their memories. Most have passed on now.

    I had the great pleasure to know many Jews who survived the camps and came to America. I was able to meet them with my father after the war in one large American city. I can not express that pain. That hollow look as to say, why? I can not understand.
    I was able to know a man who lost his family in the camps. He was but a young boy at the time, Tell him it did not happen.
    I would never want to be the one who would challenge my father on whether or not it was real, or any members of his squad or others who witnessed this. Not for a second would i care to be that person who challenged them.
     
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    I graduated high school in 1974. The number we learned all through school was six million Jews plus several million others...
     
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    That is why I said very few European wars and not “no European wars”
     
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    The holocaust deniers is the one thing that always got my dad super angry. He would always say they needed to see what he saw in WWII. He helped liberate one of the concentration camps. Sad, I can't remember which one he told me. Another thing he always told me growing up in the 60's and 70's was that America would go the way of the Roman Empire before I died. I used to think he was wrong about that, but with the current political environment, I am thinking he was right.
     
  15. 'Ol Grandad

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    You gotta keep the narrative going for the sympathy.
    Remember the Nuremberg trials? Remember the shrunken Jew's head, the soap made from Jew's fat or the lamp shade made from the skin of a Jew? Funny thing is, it's not publicized much that the DNA samples taken from them shows that they're not only not Jewish samples but the shrunken head isn't even animal, human or not.
    Also, how do human fingernails make marks on concrete? Remember the pictures of the "ovens" with all the fingernail marks on the concrete? I'm not saying nothing happened but the numbers are pumped way up. Why?
    There's two narratives, one that questions the validity of the "Holocaust" and one that constantly pushes it in the faces of people around the world.
    Do any of you know what a holocaust is? Have any of you looked into what the holocaust means to a Jew? You've some research to do. The holocaust is a name put on an event that the Jews believe is their tithe paid to god to get/go back to their holy land. Notice right after WWII all the turmoil in the Gaza strip? Coincidence?
     
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    First thank you for finding and posting the link.

    I wanted to watch this without being disturbed, but in the end it was very disturbing to see. The other thing I found disturbing in the film was to see the suits standing off to the side, with their heads hung low, watching and knowing what was going on and do nothing about it.
    I watch these films in hopes I would be able to recognize my mother or grandmother but that's never going to happen.

    They were in that system for several years and moved a few times. The only camp name I can remember is Molidorf that they were in.

    They were taken AFTER the war and shuttled by the Serbs to hunger camps.
    My brave grandmother risked it all, planning a daring escape with my mother. They could hear the guards yelling, if they find them They will kill them. They let the dogs loose and were able to evade capture.

    She said that they hid in a corn field by day and moved at night only to find in horror that for three days they had circled the camp.

    They finally crossed the border in Hungary to safety and after a period entered America I believe in 1951.
     
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    It's worth to realize that what you just described was actually happening usually to the non Jewish population under the German occupation. Jews on the contrary were rounded up, counted, recorded and isolated in the ghettos, where the Nazis would exploit them, before sending them to the camps. Counting was important part of the propaganda regime policy. Of course there were some exceptions to this, but not too often actually.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacification_actions_in_German-occupied_Poland

    Now, the real different thing happened on the Eastern front after 1941 where the Einsatzgruppen were tasked with targeting the Jewish population and executing them on the spot. Perhaps because of the war effort against the Red Army... or perhaps because of the perceived poverty of the Jews in Russia. Thus making them "non attractive" in terms of exploiting their possession (contrary to what happened to the rest of the Jews in Europe). Einsatzgruppen were BTW deemed as very inefficient by the Nazis as by the end of 1941 "only" 15% of the Jews that didn't escape to the East were executed.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_Russia
     
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    I won't post the photo, but when I look at the pic of 'The Last Jew in Vinnitsa' I wonder what he's thinking, just before getting shot in the head and falling into the pit filled with the dead from his village. For him, it's the end of the world, as far as he knows the Nazis have won, he won't live to see them driven back and ultimately beaten.

    Maybe he's thinking "I hope one day someone sees this picture and remembers me, and will know what happened here."
     
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    My gut feeling is that he didn't think about who's winning or loosing. He just saw his whole family executed. He probably just wanted to die. I think that the worst aspect of the terror was that it often didn't come from the Germans...which was expected in a way. It was also coming from the Christian neighbors. People they knew and grew up with.
     
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    Can I add the Ukraine?

    I don't know when WW2 was supposed to have ended. If you say May 1945, then you have to deal with the mass slayings in Czechoslovakia, the disputed Italian/Yugoslovian areas, the sabotage in the former Balkan states sponsored by the US. We might dismiss the 1956 Hungarian uprising. Do the continual purges by the Communists in the eastern bloc countries count as being part of WW2? I do. So they don't count as "wars". The Belieski brothers fled their country because they knew that oncoming Soviet troops would arrest and kill them. So the war continued.
     
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