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2. The misnomer......"Polish Concentration/Death/Extermination Camp(s)"......is being used as terms of subterfuge today. Not 80 years ago.n his, "typical German fashion" line. But let's not cast his thesis into the trash basin because of it either.
Or.. maybe it is just being used to describe location?

As an example we say "Bataan Death March". That does not mean that Filipinos we responsible for the atrocities. It describes a location.

We do not say "Imperial Japanese Occupied Bataan Death March"

We also do not say things like "US Occupied Ramstein Airbase". The end to the Four Power Reserved rights and really the "official end" to Germany's occupation from WW2 did not occur until 1990 (and that was actually when the final [until its not final] agreement on German / Polish boarders was established too).
 

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not sure i am following your post... there were indeed death camps throughout Axis Europe. and indeed many Peoples were victims... my Grandmother pulled out photos one day, she was showing me graves, graves of relatives in Slovakia and Hungary. she was nearly crying as she read their names, mostly men, young men she said, some with Swastika's, some with crosses... she said the Swastikas were because they were conscripted by the Nazi's, the Cross's were the ones who defied the Nazi's and were killed. i was surprised at the number of graves, she said large families were common in the farming communities back then and farming was all her relatives knew back then.
The OP is quoting MSM sources are now referring to the formerly 'Nazi' death camps are now being called Polish death camps. This started occuring when Poland began curtailing Muslim 'refugees'.
 
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As I understand it, there are two 6 millions. 6 million Jews and 6 million other "undesirables" (or deplorables as Hillary likes to call them) that include Gypsies, the disabled, and other people they didn't care for. Then there were the millions killed in the war.
It depends on how numbers are counted. And differing numbers is why people tend to start question if it happened.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/cont...victims-of-the-holocaust-and-nazi-persecution

If you just take the first the lines in the table.

"Jews: 6 million
Soviet Civilians: around 7 million (including 1.3 Soviet Jewish civilians, who are included in the 6 million figure for Jews)"


The hard part of saying the "holocaust" is it takes killing of civilians into the number. How many were actually the persecution (which is what counting them the holocaust numbers implies) and how many were civilian casualties of war?

If we count civilian casualties of war, the Allies dont look that good either. It was a very dark time in human history.
 

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Well, you can go to the camps and see it.

Have been to two different ones. It happened.

But (and this is where it gets "tricky") is they didnt keep as good of records as people think. So the numbers use a lot of estimations. In general, the 6 million killed is probably a reasonable number. Where there can be some question is who was in that 6 million mix.

As an example, if you go to Dachau, there is a killing field somewhere away from the camp. Those were a lot of soviet soldiers. They didnt "check them in" or anything. They just took them and killed them outside the camp (I question why the Germans would use fuel to send them across Germany to kill them somewhere else, but I suspect that it was to make front line troops not see it due to moral issues?)
Killing enemy soldiers is one thing.

As far as Hitler's "Final Solution" goes, the Nazis DID keep extensive, very detailed records. Many of those records were used at the Nuremberg Trials.
 

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The picture of my fathers boots is above. The newer boot, second from the left, shows the uniform that was worn by the prisoners in the labor camp. This uniform was used as the liner for the boots made just after the war.
 

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The picture of my fathers boots is above. The newer boot, second from the left, shows the uniform that was worn by the prisoners in the labor camp. This uniform was used as the liner for the boots made just after the war.
Thanks for sharing.
 

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It depends on how numbers are counted. And differing numbers is why people tend to start question if it happened.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/cont...victims-of-the-holocaust-and-nazi-persecution

If you just take the first the lines in the table.

"Jews: 6 million
Soviet Civilians: around 7 million (including 1.3 Soviet Jewish civilians, who are included in the 6 million figure for Jews)"


The hard part of saying the "holocaust" is it takes killing of civilians into the number. How many were actually the persecution (which is what counting them the holocaust numbers implies) and how many were civilian casualties of war?

If we count civilian casualties of war, the Allies dont look that good either. It was a very dark time in human history.
There's a big difference between civilian casualties during say the bombings of Dresden and Cologne and orchestrated mass murder and the attempted extermination of an entire race.

It was indeed a very dark time.
 

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To many people doubt everything with out even looking into it. Those people are living in a video game mentality
 

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There's a big difference between civilian casualties during say the bombings of Dresden and Cologne and orchestrated mass murder and the attempted extermination of an entire race.

It was indeed a very dark time.
And that is why the data can be misleading. There is a difference (but to the person who lost their life there isnt any difference) between exterminating a race and, as an example, killing of soviet civilians. In Stalingrad it is estimated that 800,000 civilians were killed (notice I did not used died). Of 3 million soviet civilians killed, that is a large percentage. The Germans were not taking Soviet civilians off to KZs from Stalingrad. The goal was to capture Stalingrad; the goal was not extermination. This city was so decimated because both sides leadership wanted the city.
 
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The Greatest Generation. We all owe them a debt we can never repay.
The "Greatest Generation" elected FDR (four times!), Truman, Kennedy, and LBJ.


They also elected Democrat supermajorities to the Senate and House of Representatives.


I guess the "Greatest Generation" really, really liked Socialism.



All we can do is try our hardest to preserve what they fought for.

Transgender story hour at the local library?
 

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The "Greatest Generation" elected FDR (four times!), Truman, Kennedy, and LBJ.


They also elected Democrat supermajorities to the Senate and House of Representatives.


I guess the "Greatest Generation" really, really liked Socialism.






Transgender story hour at the local library?
Democrats back then were not the same as the DNC today. JFK was a staunch conservative compared to the likes of Bernie, Biden, and Harris. Those presidents fought a Cold War AGAINST socialism/communism.

The thing the GG fought for was freedom. Something today's crop of young folks seem all too happy to just give away for the promise of "free stuff from the gub'mint".
 

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When I was a kid back in the 70's, we were constantly told the WW2 Nazis killed 11 million Jews and Poles in work camps between 1941-1945. That's 279 people an hour, 24/7 throughout the entire war, at all camp locations.

That time included pre-gas tattooing of workers and a post gas cremation time of 4-6 hours per individual. Given the math, needless to say I soon became a skeptic of the 11 million theme.

Afterwards the number was revised down to the current 6 million narrative.
 

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When I was a kid back in the 70's, we were constantly told the WW2 Nazis killed 11 million Jews and Poles in work camps between 1941-1945. That's 279 people an hour, 24/7 throughout the entire war, at all camp locations.

That time included pre-gas tattooing of workers and a post gas cremation time of 4-6 hours per individual. Given the math, needless to say I soon became a skeptic of the 11 million theme.

Afterwards the number was revised down to the current 6 million narrative.
Oh, so ONLY 6 million...well okay, then...
 

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Democrats back then were not the same as the DNC today.

Apart from the conservative Southern Democrats (Dixiecrats), the Democrats were pretty far left even then. They were responsible for introducing government control into practically every part of American society.

They even started telling farmers how much crops they could grow on their own farm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn


The Democrats were also instrumental in setting up the Globalist UN. I guess the "Greatest Generation" was OK with that.


And that's not even mentioning how the Democrats put innocent American citizens in concentration camps. I guess the "Greatest Generation" was OK with that, too.


And a flood of 3rd world immigration, and LBJ destroying freedom of association, and gun control (1934 and 1968), etc etc etc.

All brought to you by the "Greatest Generation."


JFK was a staunch conservative compared to the likes of Bernie, Biden, and Harris. Those presidents fought a Cold War AGAINST socialism/communism.
Compared to the Democrat Party today, even Bill Clinton is a "staunch conservative."

That doesn't mean the Democrats back then were actually conservative.

My point is, the "Greatest Generation" had a clear choice between conservatism or Globalist Marxism, and they overwhelmingly voted for Globalist Marxism.




The thing the GG fought for was freedom.
The freedom for transgender men to use the little girl's restroom?


The thing the GG fought for was freedom.
That's what they thought they were fighting for. I don't blame them. They were lied to.

What they were actually fighting for was:






Something today's crop of young folks seem all too happy to just give away for the promise of "free stuff from the gub'mint".

That's pretty much exactly what the "Greatest Generation" did when they voted for FDR 4 times.
 
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