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My father was one that participated in the liberation of a camp. He told about lampshades made from tatooed skin, fetuses in large bottles stored on shelves. Horrific sights that can not be imagined.
I have a pair of boots he had made at the end of the war by a local boot maker where he was at the time. Cigs and hershey bars for a pair of boots. The boots he had were well worn, basically walked across Europe in them. But then he had this chance for a new pair and he had them mae
The lining in them is from the striped uniforms worn by those in the camps. It is a startling reminder of what happened there. I often wonder if that lining could talk and be a witness, but that lining is a witness. But how many had worn that same uniform? Their fates? What had they witnessed? Their story, their background, where had they come from?
My father would get quite emotional about it, He did not speak of it often but when he did you kept silent. He had to talk about it in a sense. The triggers of his speaking of it were varied, but it generally happened after he heard some numskull talk about socialism, change, how America was evil.
 

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Imagine, You have survived WWII in Europe even though you have been wounded severely, Diaphram collasped from shell bursts, numerous wounds, face blown off, removed to the hospital in England twice, srapnel in your nose for the rest of your life, feet froze, ate snow for two weeks because you were surrounded, refused to go home because he felt he was letting his friends down so he went back to the front.
War is over and you want a new pair of boots. Dad told me the first thing he wanted when he got back in the states was a hamburger.
Gone for three or more years, and you want a hamburger, then get back to work
hundreds of thousands did the same thing.
 

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There's a guy by the name of Pat Buchanan founder of the American Conservative and big time conservative in Washington D. C. also previous candidate for presidency. Every time the Holocaust is mentioned he loses it(seems to be a denier). I don't know if he has some kind of personal hate for Jewish people or what but you would think that a person who considers himself a big time conservative and promoter of conservatism would not hold these views. I was a big time supporter of him until I seen his reaction to conversation regarding the Holocaust and Jewish people
Pat's issue is that Jews support Israel and Israel's interests are not to be confused, in his opinion, with America's interests. His defense of Demanyuk and the Palestinians pushed him over the edge?

But if he is NOT anti semitic, he is damn close to that red line.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...uestion/bfc8e956-316d-4abb-b33b-97aace0b80d0/
 

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Many years ago when I lived in PA for awhile I sat on the steps of a row home with an elderly gentleman who was in a concentration camp. This occurred in Philadelphia, I'll never forget his stories of what he saw, his descriptions still brings chills to me as I write this. I asked him what does he say to the still deniers today, he rolled up his sleeve and showed me his tattooed number on his arm and said "then I suppose this is not real either".............
That’s very important and also the problem. As these “survivors” and their direct family pass we will be entirely reliant on memorials and history books.

I think it is far from an accident these things are not being taught / emphasized.

It is disgusting.
 

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Thanks for that bit of history that is interesting.

I dont see these anti semitic sites talking much history though, the only recurring theme is this book "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion"

Not that im in favor of banning books, but this one seems like it has a lot of negative influence.
That book is a big, steaming pile of horse manure.
 

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Imagine, You have survived WWII in Europe even though you have been wounded severely, Diaphram collasped from shell bursts, numerous wounds, face blown off, removed to the hospital in England twice, srapnel in your nose for the rest of your life, feet froze, ate snow for two weeks because you were surrounded, refused to go home because he felt he was letting his friends down so he went back to the front.
War is over and you want a new pair of boots. Dad told me the first thing he wanted when he got back in the states was a hamburger.
Gone for three or more years, and you want a hamburger, then get back to work
hundreds of thousands did the same thing.
The Greatest Generation. We all owe them a debt we can never repay. All we can do is try our hardest to preserve what they fought for.
 

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Perhaps you elected to miss the fact that I included Prussia in my post who happened to be the most influential part of the German confederation and one of the main, three enemies of Poland. So, yes, we went to war to have Poland back.
And you have been touching on one themes of many European wars.

You mentioned "war to have Poland back"
You have stated Germans want "lebenraum"

This has been the cause of many European wars. Territory. Poland (and the rest of Europe) have not had static borders. Since WW2 they are the most static they have ever been. The Empires of Europe have claimed territory. Generally when the peoples claim "land for our people" they envision the biggest version of the territory, whereas their neighbors claim the same land.

But lets have an honest discussion.

Would this be Germany?

(Hint: Feste Kaiser Wilhelm II.. or Fortress Kaiser Wilhelm II)

How do you reconcile this little matter if people just want their country back?




By the way, I think you are in Canada. You do know that Native Americans don't want you there and they just want their country back, correct?
 

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I looked up that movie and the first clip that comes up is a song "if I were a rich man" where the guy dances around fantasizing about getting rich, blowing his money and showing off to everyone how rich he is. Kind of disgusting that the first thing that comes up is an anti-semitic stereotype straight out of South Park.
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I don't think kids really care about the Nazis and what went on back in the 40's. If they have no one in their families that were involved and schools don't teach about what happened, it's not PC to learn about the war.Anyone who doesn't believe what happened, go to the holycost museum in Washington. Its a real eye opener.
Not only were there countless thousands of survivors and eyewitnesses from Allied forces, the Nazis themselves kept scrupulous records. No sane, rational person can deny the Holocaust.
 

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Pat's issue is that Jews support Israel and Israel's interests are not to be confused, in his opinion, with America's
But if he is NOT anti semitic, he is damn close to that red line.
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BS...
If some politician that you didn't like had said we he said, you would say they've crossed that line...

And they'd deserve it ..
Words mean things...
 

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Not only were there countless thousands of survivors and eyewitnesses from Allied forces, the Nazis themselves kept scrupulous records. No sane, rational person can deny the Holocaust.
Well, you can go to the camps and see it.

Have been to two different ones. It happened.

But (and this is where it gets "tricky") is they didnt keep as good of records as people think. So the numbers use a lot of estimations. In general, the 6 million killed is probably a reasonable number. Where there can be some question is who was in that 6 million mix.

As an example, if you go to Dachau, there is a killing field somewhere away from the camp. Those were a lot of soviet soldiers. They didnt "check them in" or anything. They just took them and killed them outside the camp (I question why the Germans would use fuel to send them across Germany to kill them somewhere else, but I suspect that it was to make front line troops not see it due to moral issues?)
 

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No you need to read the blame still being put by him. Notice the "in typical German fashion"?

If



Look at European history. There have been very few European wars since WW2.

Name another time in European history where there has been this long of a peacetime.

If you go back and look at European history it is littered with one nation (or ethnicity) invading other countries and killing the population. The Romans were pretty good at it. Why not blame Italians for the atrocities that the Romans committed against the people of Europe?

As long as we can assign sin of past generations to current ones, why not keep going back? We can all find past grievances.

Relax for a second. We are arguing with a scalpel not a trebuchet - or should be anyway.

1. I take your broad point and agree with it...........we should not blame today's people for atrocities of the past.

2. The misnomer......"Polish Concentration/Death/Extermination Camp(s)"......is being used as terms of subterfuge today. Not 80 years ago.

3. Further, there are still many in Germany and other places across Europe, today, attempting to shift and minimize holocaust blame.

4. I'd ask Nestor to be more precise than his, "typical German fashion" line. But let's not cast his thesis into the trash basin because of it either.
 

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What I don't understand is after the history of the Jewish Death Camps why most Jews vote Democrat? Mark Levin states as a Jew he cannot understand why. I guess it's some what on the lines of why do blacks vote Democrat?
Why do African Americans vote democrat...the party of slavery?
 

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Typical, German fashion refers to the level of organization (for which the Germans were famous for) based on the factual documents from the death camps and occupied areas. They documented everything very well during their brutal push for Lebensraum.
100%. IMO the driver for all of this is simple. Due to low and high-level paranoia functionaries within totalitarian regimes always take great notes.

"The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich" author William Shirer said something like this and this is a paraphrase big time, "If only I had another lifetime to read notes, diaries, orders, governmental directives from the time"
 

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I want to be surprised but I'm not. Almost no one know about the armenian genoside either.
Communism has great defenders in the MSM & academia.
 

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Well, you can go to the camps and see it.

Have been to two different ones. It happened.

But (and this is where it gets "tricky") is they didnt keep as good of records as people think. So the numbers use a lot of estimations. In general, the 6 million killed is probably a reasonable number. Where there can be some question is who was in that 6 million mix.

As an example, if you go to Dachau, there is a killing field somewhere away from the camp. Those were a lot of soviet soldiers. They didnt "check them in" or anything. They just took them and killed them outside the camp (I question why the Germans would use fuel to send them across Germany to kill them somewhere else, but I suspect that it was to make front line troops not see it due to moral issues?)
As I understand it, there are two 6 millions. 6 million Jews and 6 million other "undesirables" (or deplorables as Hillary likes to call them) that include Gypsies, the disabled, and other people they didn't care for. Then there were the millions killed in the war.
 

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Growing up in the 50's, WWII was a recent event and just about every kid's dad served in WWII and some kid's mom's were war brides from Europe.

I could never be a holocaust denier after having seen pictures somebody's dad had taken of a liberated concentration camp and then later in the 70's and 80's having talked to holocaust survivors who were still alive.

One man I talked to was a painter who I met on a remodeling job and later did some work for his son who was close to my age, born after the war. This man and his wife narrowly escaped from Germany and just as they were about to cross the border were stopped by a German soldier who questioned them and they offered him money to let them go an he refused it and said he believed that what his country was doing to the Jews was wrong and allowed them to escape.

Real human stories like that one are what's missing from history these days as history is being constantly revised and made to follow a predominantly Leftist political narrative.
 
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