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Hollow Points Useless in Winter?

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by SIUC4, Feb 18, 2010.

  1. SIUC4

    SIUC4 Glockness

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    I was in my local gun store today gathering some 155 gr GoldDots for my G22 and there was a guy in there asking for some winchester white box ball ammo. I got into the conversation when the guy refused to purchase HPs... Stating it was stupid to do so during the winter. His theory ( and he swore by this ) was that during the winter months the best SD ammo was ball, because people have on much thicker clothes and are layered up more due to the cold weather...Stating that HPs will begin to expand in these outter layers of clothing, thus doing less damage. I told them that I have never once heard of this, but all of my LE buddies carry HPs all winter and summer and spring long....Is there any truth to this rumor?
     
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    FLIPPER 348 Bigfoot enthusiast enthusiast

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    that guy was (is) a moron
     

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    this doesn't matter because you'll be shooting til the threat stops regardless.
     
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    If you've never heard of it and you are around gun people, either the gun store commando is a genius or there is another explanation.
     
  5. mnglocker

    mnglocker Rope Czar

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    The guy is an idiot. the box'o'truth is your friend. Worse case scenario the HP's don't open up and plug up with clothing effectivley making them ball ammo. And at that, with much tighter QC and higher velocities.
     
  6. AK_Stick

    AK_Stick AAAMAD

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    I've seen alot of data from fairly well regarded sources, that hollowpoints don't typically open up much during their penetration of a human torso under normal conditions.


    He's probably no better off than someone with JHP ammo, but I doubt he's any worse off either.
     
  7. Adams454

    Adams454

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    The problem with heavy clothing is not the fact that it expands bullets. It clogs the hollow point causing bullets not to expand. Bullet expansion depends on something being at least semi-fluid. The polyester batting in a heavy coat will clog the bullet and turn it into a ball round. Personally, I would rather at least have the possibility of expansion. Rather than restricting myself to nothing but ball ammo.
     
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    There have been a few cases over the years where some ammo did not penetrate because of winter clothing. But I would just shoot a higher velocity hp round. But I would say that if you are shooting a reasonable caliber it won't be a problem.
     
  9. SIUC4

    SIUC4 Glockness

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    Yea I figured that much but I never want to be that guy that gets quoted on here for talking about something that is horribly inacurate...
     
  10. Elvis Lives

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    wouldnt the clog clothing be like a polymer tip of a polymer tip hollowpoint?
     
  11. MtBaldy

    MtBaldy Obie Wan, RIP

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    This.

    It's also why I like a 165 gr .40 cal round, even if it doesn't expand it's still going to do significant damage. Add the two or three follow up shot's and I'm not real worried about my hollow points getting clogged by winter clothing.
     
  12. 8-Ball

    8-Ball Old Soul

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    Unless you're carrying a single shot pistol, does it really matter?

    Either it opens, or it don't. I don't think a coat is going to stop a bullet from going into a mans body.

    If it don't stop him, shoot him again... Then again.
     
  13. eXistenZ

    eXistenZ Play it.

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    No one read the article in Combat Handguns about this stuff and over penetration?
     
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    juswes Team Red

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    Draco Ak-47 pistol...There is your winter gun.
     
  15. Blast

    Blast 'nuff said

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    [​IMG]Problem solved.
     
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    I have read so many articles and threads on the internet that I am now convinced that all bullets are useless all the time, and am therefore going to load my guns with pudding instead.

    I will rely on my lightsaber and force powers for self defense.
     
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    I think you may be on to something.

    [​IMG]
     
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    mechanica Texazonan.

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    DScottHewitt EMT-B

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    The cavity of a hollowpoint MAY become clogged with clothing material and effect expansion. But, if that does happen, it just turns into the equivalent of a FMJ. Which he is handicapping himself with on EVERY round because one MIGHT do it. They do make Federal EFMJ and Hornady Critical Defense. They expand reliably, since in one the cavity is covered by jacket material and in the other the cavity has a rubberish plug in it.
     
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    DScottHewitt EMT-B

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    Nope. Clothe is not elastic. And is not scientifically designed to ASSIST the expansion process.